Budget 90k+ Price/Performance PC build

jaydeep_p

jaydeep_p

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Questions
  • What is your budget?
    • 90k-120k
  • What is your existing hardware configuration (component name - component brand and model)
    • First time PC builder
  • Which hardware component are you looking to buy (component name). If you have already decided on a configuration then please mention the (component brand and model) as well, this will help us in fine tuning your requirement.
    • CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor (22000.00 should I wait for next gen?)
    • Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M K Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard (12420.00 cheapest one I could find)
    • Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5200 CL36 Memory (8000.00)
    • Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 Lite 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (4899.00)
    • Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card (50000.00 should I wait for next gen?)
    • Power Supply: ADATA XPG CORE Reactor 850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (8799.00 is 850 enough or should I get more?)
    • Total: 1,06,118 (10k for a monitor and other stuff)
    • https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jRxMVW
  • Where will you buy this hardware?
    • Mumbai
    • Open to online purchase/ second hand (f2f only)
  • What is your intended use for this PC/hardware
    • Gaming (sight seeing games only)
  • What is your preferred monitor resolution for gaming and normal usage
    • 1080p/1440p
  • Are you looking to overclock?
    • No
I'll be buying all the components starting Mar 2024, my main requirements are price/performance and long-lasting components.

Should I wait till April/May for next gen or is it only an incremental upgrade like intel 14th gen?

**Mumbai locals** can you tell me about any shops that have good prices and honest salespeople?

I've never visited any PC shops so any tips will be helpful.
 
Next gen GPUs will likely be announced in late Q3 2024 or early Q4 2024, starting with flagships. So likely Jan 2025 for mid-range card.

The current gen is not great but have to live with it.

4070/7800XT rig is great for 1440p gaming, I use a 3070 for 1440p gaming. Surely I had to use DLSS/FSR in games like Starfield, Hogwarts & TLOU 1.

If you are trying to squeeze everything within 120k, then get RX 6750XT + 1440p monitor:

Good 1440p gaming monitor:

4070 vs 7800XT, do your own research a bit. I put 4070 just because after sales of AsRock & Sapphire in India aren't considered good.
 
jaydeep_p said:
I'll be buying all the components starting Mar 2024, my main requirements are price/performance and long-lasting components.
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You should start the thread in March then. Since you ask for price : performance, we can't know what the prices will be 5 months, and if there will be better VFM alternatives. Whatever suggestions you may get now will be outdated within days/weeks
 
enc0dex264 said:
left 5k for the case, i dont think you can much better price/performance than this:

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This will be bottlenecked because of CPU & RAM with 4070Ti class GPU even at 1440p resolution.

4090 at 4K performs similar in fps to 4070Ti at 1440p. So the 20% performance uplift that 4070Ti is supposed to have over 4070 is negated by the CPU & RAM bottleneck:
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OMEGA44-XT said:
This will be bottlenecked because of CPU & RAM with 4070Ti class GPU even at 1440p resolution.

4090 at 4K performs similar in fps to 4070Ti at 1440p. So the 20% performance uplift that 4070Ti is supposed to have over 4070 is negated by the CPU & RAM bottleneck:
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You are all over the place with these benchmark screenshots.. you are comparing performance from 4090 at 4k to 4070 ti? then somehow equating that to the difference between 4070 and 4070 ti at 1440p?

4070ti is a high frame 1440p gpu.. what looks like only 20-25% faster is the difference between playable or not playable. A game feels totally different being played at 65fps and 90+ fps.. the difference is 20% yes, but the difference in playibility is day and night.

Now i know its preferrable to have the latest gen balanced cpu combo.. but there is no budget. the title is bang for buck afterall.

Now if you are saying 12400F DDR4 + 4070 ti will perform worse than a 7600x DDR5 + 4070 at 1440p.. yeah i dont think so.. unless you can prove otherwise wihtout comparing not related benchmarks.
 
enc0dex264 said:
You are all over the place with these benchmark screenshots.. you are comparing performance from 4090 at 4k to 4070 ti? then somehow equating that to the difference between 4070 and 4070 ti at 1440p?

4070ti is a high frame 1440p gpu.. what looks like only 20-25% faster is the difference between playable or not playable. A game feels totally different being played at 65fps and 90+ fps.. the difference is 20% yes, but the difference in playibility is day and night.

Now i know its preferrable to have the latest gen balanced cpu combo.. but there is no budget. the title is bang for buck afterall.

Now if you are saying 12400F DDR4 + 4070 ti will perform worse than a 7600x DDR5 + 4070 at 1440p.. yeah i dont think so.. unless you can prove otherwise wihtout comparing not related benchmarks.
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Ok, to explain better - check fps numbers in last 2 pics. You can see that 4090 at 4K has 139 fps on the set of 13 games. On same set of 13 games, 4070Ti at 1440p results in 153 fps, 4070 at 126 fps.

So fps performance of 4090 at 4K is close to 1440p fps performance of 4070 & 4070Ti (4070Ti is 20% better than 4070, which is not a very huge margin).

In first pic, we have 5600X & 7600X paired with 4090 compared at 4K. Here we can see an approx 20% performance uplift going from 5600X to 7600X. Since 4090's 4K performance is close enough to fps by 4070 & 4070Ti at 1440p, we can use the CPU scaling list to check for bottleneck at 1440p for 4070/4070Ti. So my conclusion is that R5 7600 + 4070 will perform similar to i5 12400/R5 5600 paired with 4070Ti as latter is bottlenecked by CPU & RAM.

These are rough calculations, but still have data for a good approximation.
 
enc0dex264 said:
unless you can prove otherwise wihtout comparing not related benchmarks.
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If I understand right, since there are no published results for 12400 + DDR4 + 4070/Ti, so he is extrapolating from the relative differences in the charts.

See Pic 1. It shows only 4090's performance @ 4k with slow and fast RAM for various CPUs. Except x3D, all CPUs are affected by slower RAM alone, so with slower RAM (DDR4 vs DDR5) and slower CPU (12400 vs 7600), the effect is compounded.
4090 @ 4k w/ 7600 + fast RAM = 180 fps
4090 @ 4k w/ 5600X + slow RAM = 149 fps (5600X performs just under a 12400)
FPS lost due to slower CPU + slower DDR4 = 180 - 149 = 31 (17%)

But you want 4070Ti numbers, not 4090 numbers
From the other 2 charts, you have:
4070Ti @ 1440 = 153 fps
So, if the 4070Ti is losing about 17%, it is essentially at 4070 level @ 126 fps

TLDR: if you get a weaker CPU, it won't be able to push enough frames for the GPU to render, leaving in underutilized. So always match them
 
I just looked at a bunch of 5600x vs 7600x comparisons and it does seems the 5600x is slower

even if 12400f is better with much higher ipc it will still be slower by atleast 10% in 50-70% of all games at 1440p.. so yeah my bad, losing out 10-15% performance doesnt make sense.

especially when u can get a newer gen DDR5 platform by spending a little more.
 
enc0dex264 said:
I just looked at a bunch of 5600x vs 7600x comparisons and it does seems the 5600x is slower

even if 12400f is better with much higher ipc it will still be slower by atleast 10% in 50-70% of all games at 1440p.. so yeah my bad, losing out 10-15% performance doesnt make sense.

especially when u can get a newer gen DDR5 platform by spending a little more.
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Exactly. In the future, newer CPU architecture + DDR5 RAM will help in some intensive games, especially with 1% low fps. It might be possible in some games that R5 7600 + 4070 will have better 1% low fps than an i5 12400/R5 5600 + 4070Ti + DDR4 rig.

The i5 12400, R5 5600 & R5 5600X all perform similarly in games (within a 5% margin).

I will recommend a R5 7600 + 4070 rig over i5 12400/R5 5600 + 4070Ti.
 
enc0dex264 said:
I just looked at a bunch of 5600x vs 7600x comparisons and it does seems the 5600x is slower
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Then again, the 5600X is significantly cheaper, so that makes sense.
Currently, the Intel 12600KF is the sweet spot in the CPU market for when you want something powerful on a limited budget.
This is the result I get with the Intel 12600KF:

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I do not overclock and I use RAM @6000 MHz.
Suppose I were to do an overclock and use RAM @8000 MHz I would match the fastest CPU now on the market with RAM @6000 MHz:
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FateTrap said:
Then again, the 5600X is significantly cheaper, so that makes sense.
Currently, the Intel 12600KF is the sweet spot in the CPU market for when you want something powerful on a limited budget.
This is the result I get with the Intel 12600KF:

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I do not overclock and I use RAM @6000 MHz.
Suppose I were to do an overclock and use RAM @8000 MHz I would match the fastest CPU now on the market with RAM @6000 MHz:
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Sadly i5 12600KF is not cheap enough to be value for money, it is 20.5k or so vs i5 13500's under 23k pricing. Latter is noticeably better for productivity due to extra cores + slight IPS uplift. For gamers, R5 7600 exists at similar price with AM5 platform which will be supported for years.
 
4070ti doesn't look worth it for +20k over a 7800xt or anything from AMD lineup, is there some reason why I should avoid AMD GPUs?

OMEGA44-XT said:
Exactly. In the future, newer CPU architecture + DDR5 RAM will help in some intensive games, especially with 1% low fps. It might be possible in some games that R5 7600 + 4070 will have better 1% low fps than an i5 12400/R5 5600 + 4070Ti + DDR4 rig.

The i5 12400, R5 5600 & R5 5600X all perform similarly in games (within a 5% margin).

I will recommend a R5 7600 + 4070 rig over i5 12400/R5 5600 + 4070Ti.
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Would you suggest a 7800xt instead of 4070? It's much cheaper for not much perf hit.
 
jaydeep_p said:
4070ti doesn't look worth it for +20k over a 7800xt or anything from AMD lineup, is there some reason why I should avoid AMD GPUs?


Would you suggest a 7800xt instead of 4070? It's much cheaper for not much perf hit.
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My main point against 7800XT is brand & after sales. AsRock & Sapphire are infamous for poor after sales in India, hence I will prefer 4070. Sapphire makes good cards, but hope you aren't unlucky. TUF 7800XT is like 59k but can get Zotac 4070 with 5 year warranty for 53.5k.
 
jaydeep_p said:
4070ti doesn't look worth it for +20k over a 7800xt or anything from AMD lineup, is there some reason why I should avoid AMD GPUs?


Would you suggest a 7800xt instead of 4070? It's much cheaper for not much perf hit.
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GO GREEN GO NVIDIA. With cheating or DLSS, you get more frames.
 
OMEGA44-XT said:
Sadly i5 12600KF is not cheap enough to be value for money, it is 20.5k or so vs i5 13500's under 23k pricing. Latter is noticeably better for productivity due to extra cores + slight IPS uplift. For gamers, R5 7600 exists at similar price with AM5 platform which will be supported for years.
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I took twice the cheapest price on pcpartpicker currently.
Intel 12600KF = $194.00 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FXFJW2F?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1
Intel 13500 = $247.98 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1735134-REG/intel_bx8071513500_core_i5_13500_2_5_ghz.html

The single core performance of both is exactly the same and this is the most important factor for productiveit. The most used app is a web browser and it is single threaded.

Furthermore, a recent study revealed that by 2024, more than 70% of all computer apps will still be single-threaded and thus unable to take advantage of multi-core performance. This is due to the complexity of the software build for multi-core apps.

In your advice you pay significantly more money for mostly having the exact same performance, which is not smart. As I have said before, the Intel 12600KF is currently the best out there in terms of price/performance ratio and AMD currently has nothing that scores better in this price range. The AMD 7600X is on average 3.7% faster but it is usually more than 10% more expensive than the Intel 12600KF.

For gamers, R5 7600 exists at similar price with AM5 platform which will be supported for years.
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Not relevant.
The OP said: I'll be buying all the components starting Mar 2024, my main requirements are price/performance and long-lasting components.
By the time most people upgrade their CPU, AM5 is no longer supported, so in most cases this is a very weak argument.
 
FateTrap said:
I took twice the cheapest price on pcpartpicker currently.
Intel 12600KF = $194.00 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FXFJW2F?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1
Intel 13500 = $247.98 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1735134-REG/intel_bx8071513500_core_i5_13500_2_5_ghz.html

The single core performance of both is exactly the same and this is the most important factor for productiveit. The most used app is a web browser and it is single threaded.

Furthermore, a recent study revealed that by 2024, more than 70% of all computer apps will still be single-threaded and thus unable to take advantage of multi-core performance. This is due to the complexity of the software build for multi-core apps.

In your advice you pay significantly more money for mostly having the exact same performance, which is not smart. As I have said before, the Intel 12600KF is currently the best out there in terms of price/performance ratio and AMD currently has nothing that scores better in this price range. The AMD 7600X is on average 3.7% faster but it is usually more than 10% more expensive than the Intel 12600KF.


Not relevant.
The OP said: I'll be buying all the components starting Mar 2024, my main requirements are price/performance and long-lasting components.
By the time most people upgrade their CPU, AM5 is no longer supported, so in most cases this is a very weak argument.
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The discussion steered away from OP's requirements long back.

No point in comparing US prices as in India, by paying 12% extra money over 12600KF, you get 13500 which has better multicore performance & has an iGPU (very helpful in case dGPU is not working or in Intel quicksync supported applications). 2.5k extra is not "significantly more" (should be around 30% to be considered significant IMO, not 12% or so).

Regd. AM5, I know people who upgraded from Ryzen 1st & 2nd gen to 5000 series (basically was 4th gen on AM4 platform). Upgrade from R5 1600 to R5 5600 for 13k is pretty significant for gaming & productivity. For those who want almost top tier gaming performance, 5800X3D is still a good choice if you already have mobo & RAM. It can hold its own vs 13600K & R5 7600.
 
OMEGA44-XT said:
No point in comparing US prices as in India, by paying 12% extra money over 12600KF, you get 13500 which has better multicore performance & has an iGPU (very helpful in case dGPU is not working or in Intel quicksync supported applications). 2.5k extra is not "significantly more" (should be around 30% to be considered significant IMO, not 12% or so).
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Intel Core i5 13500 vs i5 12600KF: performance comparison

We compared Intel Core i5 13500 (2.5 GHz) against i5 12600KF (3.7 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has better performance.
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Most apps a standard user uses daily are single-threaded, and in multi-core performance the 13500 is only narrowly faster.

On average, the 13500 offers about 3.8% higher performance, and it is 12% more expensive according to your statement.

Which means, by definition, the Intel 12600KF offers a better price/performance ratio for almost all users.
 
FateTrap said:

Intel Core i5 13500 vs i5 12600KF: performance comparison

We compared Intel Core i5 13500 (2.5 GHz) against i5 12600KF (3.7 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has better performance.
nanoreview.net nanoreview.net

Most apps a standard user uses daily are single-threaded, and in multi-core performance the 13500 is only narrowly faster.

On average, the 13500 offers about 3.8% higher performance, and it is 12% more expensive according to your statement.

Which means, by definition, the Intel 12600KF offers a better price/performance ratio for almost all users.
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Your statement would have been fine if you were comparing R5 7600 vs R5 7600X where both have same features with the latter having a slightly better frequency, hence barely 3-5% performance uplift. Here I will suggest most to save the 1-2k extra which 7600X might cost.

But again, with 13500, you get more multi-core performance & an iGPU, both are very good additions & worth the extra 12%/2.5k for anyone looking for a productivity build. You might use only Photoshop today which is single-threaded, but might start using Blender or Premier pro in the future which are noticeably faster on render times on 13500. Not to forget a scenario where your dGPU fails & PC can't be used. Redundancy is important if you are using a PC for productivity.
 
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