Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Protein Gold Series Rocky Road - 5 Lb

[Vasishta.Sushant]

are you on BB.com too? Whats you nick on those forums, and bodyspace....?

I have an account there but never updated that Actually no more into BB. Life after a kid is little too busy for all this. But I am planning to get serious again. Just waiting for the pace to pick up. Life just gets too demanding and with so many of easy things around, BB takes a real real backstage.

Here is my bodyspace id: dream_guns

 

[Infected]

^^ Cool. yeah even I have stopped doing any of it for the last few months but now I need to get back to it asap.

I have lost way too much again :-(

 

[Vasishta.Sushant]

That happens actually. Our body has a similar mechanism as your Intel has (SpeedStep). Just to reduce the power consumption, when not needed, it slowly underclocks itself by loosing the "not needed" muscle mass. You can't do anything about that.

 

[Rockfella]

Ok, i was about to say the same thing. Raptor just ignore ON as much as you can, i have friends who have used ON and many other suppliments, some of them are fitness freaks/gym owners/managers of gyms in delhi, some know the importers of supplements, the "know-hows" of this industy don't even talk about ON and muscletech. I've always heard good things about BSN SYntha 6 but it is too expensive, dymatize whey is your best bet and the site (suggested by Sushant Vashista) is a genuine one:

Welcome to Lbnutrition.com :: India's Definitive Health, Fitness & Bodybuilding Resource

One more thing, don't fall for No2 and creatine for an year atleast.

^^^
Raptor, I've used ON and from my personal experience I am telling you that.

Well even on BB.com it tops the TOP 50 supplements list. If you read the fine prints, not because of the content but because of the sales. There is no denying the fact that optimum knows how to market its products and sell it cheap. But by no means the ON 100% Gold Standard is a better protein. You can get better protein in the price you'll be paying.

And again the US story is different. Check the US rates and check India rates. There ON sells like pancakes and costs like pancakes. Here its a complete u-turn. They market it as a great product and that gives them a leeway to raise their prices.

Understand that whey is of two types: Concentrate (WPC) and Isolate(WPI). The isolates are the purest form and thus they cost a lot more. Trust me they work a lot more as well.

I'd prefer getting an Isolate, even if they cost more but if I were to go for a concentrate, I'd go for Dymatize Elite whey which is a lot better than ON's Gold Standard.

 

[universal]

today only bought ON gold standard whey isolates 5lbs @ 3360/- from neulife

Neulife Nutrition System

 

[Vasishta.Sushant]

Ok, i was about to say the same thing. Raptor just ignore ON as much as you can, i have friends who have used ON and many other suppliments, some of them are fitness freaks/gym owners/managers of gyms in delhi, some know the importers of supplements, the "know-hows" of this industy don't even talk about ON and muscletech. I've always heard good things about BSN SYntha 6 but it is too expensive, dymatize whey is your best bet and the site (suggested by Sushant Vashista) is a genuine one:

Welcome to Lbnutrition.com :: India's Definitive Health, Fitness & Bodybuilding Resource

One more thing, don't fall for No2 and creatine for an year atleast.

And here comes my old friend who has stopped responding now a days. I just knew that when you'll see this thread, you will post one reply at least. Didn't take so long Talk about Compulsive Disorders

 

[Rockfella]

Bioavailibility of whey is even higher than eggs, eggs come second though!

@OP Why don't you just use eggs ie whites ? Best protein you can get. Sure you can get a good deal from local egg guy as you will be very good customer.
Powders are only for bulking up, easier to load calories.

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And here comes my old friend who has stopped responding now a days. I just knew that when you'll see this thread, you will post one reply at least. Didn't take so long Talk about Compulsive Disorders

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@ankxxs,
dude.. I searched the thread.didn't find any guy who was showing off the protein supplement

 

[Infected]

^^ Rockfella and Sushant what Gainer do you guys recommend..?

 

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Not always true.

Really ? so what other uses are there for these powders besides quick perfomance enhancers when you want to push limits. Thats another topic entirely if we get into the psychology of it.

What i said was pretty much what competing natural bodybuilders abroad told me. Powders were mostly for bulking, cos it can get difficult to eat 1000's of calories.

If you notice OP wants protein powder that's not for bulking thats to supplement a poor protein intake.

Egg White Protien and Whey Protien is very very different...

But egg whites are a complete protein, any complete protein is suitable. Unfortunately vegetable proteins do not qualify.

I used to gulp it down raw, course you must have a fridge to do this otherwise there is a risk of food poisoning.

The food in the cafeteria doesn't provide eggs or chicken.

Bingo, this is why he needs protein supplements. Nothing beats self-catering accomodation. pls move into the same and get your own stuff and a weighing scale so you can monitor your calorie intake better.

Bioavailibility of whey is even higher than eggs, eggs come second though!

ooh fancy word, tell me what does it mean

 

[udayrulz]

Why comparing ON whey with ISOLATES ? :S

It simply depends on your needs , for someone who wants to gain weight its better to get concentrates as they tend to have more calories because of fat . Oh and before some one pounces fat is not always bad . If you are trying to loose weight then ISOLATES is the one to get .

@ Blr_p As per my understanding its the percentage of protein that your body can actually USE .

 

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@ Blr_p As per my understanding its the percentage of protein that your body can actually USE .

Your body only uses what it needs and junks the rest.

So are you saying that using whey protein tricks the body into absorbing more proteins than it could absorb with eggs ?

Pls expand on this,and substantiate it.

Note that my point is to do with whether eggs or protein does the job, i maintain eggs work fine. Now if you do not get enough proteins to begin with, then any suitable protein that fills the gap is fine like in the OP's case.

But if you had a choice of both, which is better and why ? You might find studies that show its more effective but is it worth it, are the gains substantial to merit the added cost.

What does a cost analysis work out like using eggs for a year say, over why protein powder taking into consideration costs.

 

[udayrulz]

Your body only uses what it needs and junks the rest.

So are you saying that using whey protein tricks the body into absorbing more proteins than it could absorb with eggs ?

Pls expand on this,and substantiate it.

Note that my point is to do with whether eggs or protein does the job, i maintain eggs work fine. Now if you do not get enough proteins to begin with, then any suitable protein that fills the gap is fine like in the OP's case.

But if you had a choice of both, which is better and why ? You might find studies that show its more effective but is it worth it, are the gains substantial to merit the added cost.

What does a cost analysis work out like using eggs for a year say, over why protein powder taking into consideration costs.

Source : WIKI

Whey protein is the name of globular proteins that can be isolated from whey. It is typically a mixture of globinstagers beta-lactoglobulin (~65%), alpha-lactalbumin (~25%), and serum albumin (~8%), which are soluble in their native culture forms, independent of pH. Whey has the highest Biological Value (BV) of any known protein.[citation needed] Whey protein has an even higher bioavailability than egg white protein (BV = 98), which is considered the "gold standard" of protein, and has a bioavailability rating of 100. Bioavailability refers to how efficiently a substance will be digested and absorbed through the villi in the small intestine into the blood stream while maintaining its original form. Because of this high bioavailability, amino acids from whey protein are thought to enter the blood stream faster than other protein sources.[citation needed]

Oh , and there's nothing wrong with using eggs as a primary source of protein . Typically a protein shake has 25gm of protein in it , a single egg has 6gm ..

For those trying to build muscle , there diet should have (2 x weight)gm's of protein daily .. So for some one who is say 70kg , he needs 140gm of protein . Now with our Indian diet which is mostly vegetarian , max amount of protein we get is 50g daily .. the rest you need to make up with egg , chicken etc . That's where these supplements come in as its not easy to eat 6 - 8 eggs a day or have chicken daily .

However one thing that is important is that supplements should only be use to supplement your diet , the main source of calories should be diet and not supplements .

 

[Infected]

I agree with your post and you are right, any protien is fine if you are looking not to body build, but remain fit I guess.

One can not even compare the cost difference of real food, versus any supplements.

So yes thee is no substitute for real food.Really it is supplement not a substitute....

BUT, How I take my Whey is With 2 raw eggs and 2 bananas in the morning !!

....but after the workout it is just plain Whey with water, as at that time I am looking for something the muscles are craving: Fast digestive neutrients,

and the key element is fast digestive !! Thats one of the reasons people prefer it.

Your body only uses what it needs and junks the rest.

So are you saying that using whey protein tricks the body into absorbing more proteins than it could absorb with eggs ?

If the above was true one would never naturally gain weight after growing up....no one will become fat at all as the body doesnt need so much fat right?

But this is not true, over time when we intake more our bodies get used to more and start filling in.

By lifting weights etc we are again creating a need for more calories which really helps put the weight in better places, like muscles instead of fat, in the easiest terms.

If you need more info really look up Wiki or bodybuilding.com it is a great site to understand all this...

I too am no pro, so you can wait for others to reply or ask some pro or Doc maybe...

 

[Vasishta.Sushant]

Really ? so what other uses are there for these powders besides quick perfomance enhancers when you want to push limits. Thats another topic entirely if we get into the psychology of it.

Well tell me why do you need a Corsiar VX450 when an iball 650W can run your 5770 ? Because they are a cleaner sources of energy. To get 450W of clean power, instead of getting 650W of unclean power (out of which only 450W will reach the destination). The same thing is with the POWDERS (as you term them).

An average sportsperson needs 1-1.5 gms of protein per kg of body weight. So a 70kg guy will need odd 100+ gm of protein. People in BB need even more. Now going by 3gm of quality protein provided by an egg albumen, he'll have to eat like 33 eggs a day. Possible for you ? We don't have a problem.

What i said was pretty much what competing natural bodybuilders abroad told me. Powders were mostly for bulking, cos it can get difficult to eat 1000's of calories.

POWDERS have categories. The same way there are different type of computer components. A RAM can not do a job of a DVD drive. If you do not know the stuff, do not generalize.

But egg whites are a complete protein, any complete protein is suitable.

Mind explaining the term COMPLETE ?

Unfortunately vegetable proteins do not qualify.

And do you know why ? No go and read about Bioavailability. Fancy name ?...well if you like it that way, so be it.

I used to gulp it down raw, course you must have a fridge to do this otherwise there is a risk of food poisoning.

Try googling about Bacteria Salmonella.

ooh fancy word, tell me what does it mean

Already explained by a fellow friend.

BTW I would like to ask you: Why this attitude ? Are you a BB Pro or a Certified Nutritionist ? I bet you are miles away from either of them. But I really admire the baseless confidence you have in your notions. Believe me or not, I am really scared of challenging you dude. You indeed are the one.

 

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Source : WIKI

You notice there are a lot 'citation required' tags in that wiki article. So how credible are the sources used in that wiki article ?

Also how signficant is a difference of '2' ie 100 & 98 on this Bioavailiability scale.

Oh , and there's nothing wrong with using eggs as a primary source of protein . Typically a protein shake has 25gm of protein in it , a single egg has 6gm ..
For those trying to build muscle , there diet should have (2 x weight)gm's of protein daily .. So for some one who is say 70kg , he needs 140gm of protein . Now with our Indian diet which is mostly vegetarian , max amount of protein we get is 50g daily .. the rest you need to make up with egg , chicken etc . That's where these supplements come in as its not easy to eat 6 - 8 eggs a day or have chicken daily .

Cpl of points here, if you're a vegetarian then i agree you want to use supplements, i'm not so beef & fish were defnitely on the menu that too on a daily basis, more the tuna in cans than beef tho.

The other one is the the formula you used to arrive at the protein intake. I'm not familair with it and wonder how it compares with what i did when i was into this game. I set as target, the amt of calories to have and then worked a 60% carb, 30% protein and remainder as fat. As i upped the calorie intake, i made sure the others filled in and adjusted the diet based on this. This down to the bodytype i have, typical ectomorph, those ratios vary if you are meso or endo.

However one thing that is important is that supplements should only be use to supplement your diet , the main source of calories should be diet and not supplements .

Sure.

I agree with your post and you are right, any protien is fine if you are looking not to body build, but remain fit I guess.

Nope, my intention with that post was for someone building not fitness, i keep forgetting that fish & beef are off limits for you guys

In that case your only opton is to take supplements.

Mind explaining the term COMPLETE ?

something to do with having 9 amino acid chains vs 7 (ie incomplete with veg proteins), can't remember the exact terminology, if you know your stuff then you would understand what i mean.

Try googling about Bacteria Salmonella.

No need as I was the one that called the ambulance when my friend got hit and he pretty much never fully recovered from it. He bought his eggs from a supermarket that did not refirgerate them and he stored them above the fridge, he'd been doing it that way for many years, it only took one bad egg to bring this mighty guy down.

But the secret is eggs stored at 4 degrees C ie in a fridge do not allow salmonella to increase, refirgeration is vital or your playing the numbers. That's it even if you come across a bad egg that you don't catch you should be ok.

BTW I would like to ask you: Why this attitude ? Are you a BB Pro or a Certified Nutritionist ? I bet you are miles away from either of them.

My attitidue if you choose to call it that was questioning the validity of this bioavailability theory, and no its not been substantiated at all, you want to show me some more credible evidence go ahead. The personal hygene & health sectors are loaded with scams and flimsy claims, it's smart to be sceptical about anything in these areas.

But my stance here is weakened considerably more by the fact that you guys are veg, that already cuts out a lot of availiable protein so i defnitely agree you have to supplement with protein powder. So you take whey or whatever is out there. I never bothered with it and also never heard others doing it unless it was much more specialised in the competing line again these guys were not veg.

 

[Infected]

But my stance here is weakened considerably more by the fact that you guys are veg, that already cuts out a lot of availiable protein so i defnitely agree you have to supplement with protein powder.

I dont think I have a meal when its all Veg??? really for me every meal of mine has some red or white meat. Even Breakfast for that matter has eggs and sometimes Pork too...

Who all are Vegs here who posted...I dont know....and yes I still do feel a need for Whey and some gainers and some BCCA, Glutamine, Multi Vitamins, Essential oils when I do work out.

Dude, its not about What you need and what you dont. Its about setting a target and doing whatever means to get to it the fastest, anything to help you achieve it.

By no means is any of it needed, people go about their happy llives without thinking about these

As for vegs Cereals & food grains and Soy is one of the best protiens....

.......really like he said are you a BB or a Nutrionist? If not I would advise you to see one

Or discuss this in a BB forum.

They will clear your doubts...

Have a nice nite....

PS. Little knowledge is dangerous.....

 

[G33kgod]

hey can anyone give importance of omega3, fish oils, flax seed n ther availability n are they recommended keeping in mind the indian weather ?????

 

[ankxxs]

@ Raptor: Id of that person is: Gforce

 

[raptor3624]

^ yeah.. found out thanks.

Going back to the original query of this thread, I sent a request for a 5lbs ON jar to ICCWorld.And they came back with a whopping 4.4Kprice including shipping etc.:O

 

[Infected]

....I'll PM you the phonoe number this guy is in Bhopal.

Where are you located?

YGPM.