[Politics] AAP wins Delhi election. AK set for CM for the next 5 years.

Wow you're as stupid as you are ignorant. Go protest in front of the parliament and see how many cases they slap against you. Do it a few times, you would break that guy's record.

What do you even know about Panchayats? Do you know how difficult it is to administer hundreds of villages? There is no alternative to Panchayats. Anything else will be the same thing in a different name. He said they needed to be upgraded and sensitized. Please understand, its not just one stupid Khappanchayat leader that thinks chowmein is bad its majority of the village, and like AK said they need to be sensitized and education is the only way to uplift these parts.

How many political parties have you run? Will you give them the money they need, more importantly, CAN YOU? The law doesnt allow anon donations above 20k. IF that anon money is donated, its taxed at full rate. Just FYI. You cant stoop someone from donating, that would be throwing the axe on your own foot. And when you need the money for a good purpose no one gives a shit where it comes from. They have said clearly, there will be no quid-pro-quo for the donations. Now why do you care after all this?

I spent 3 hours in the BSNL office today just to get the plan changed and get the sign of an officer who was too lazy to be in his office. Had this been under AAP, that bas*ard would have been in his office out of fear if nothing else. The Narendra Modi govt doesnt give a ****, neither of the previous govts did. This is your only hope. Better enable them, instead of b**ching about them.

Oh please don't try to preach your nonsense to me. Go read the self declared affidavits of all the AAP candidates and then try justify why they have so many cases completely unrelated to any protests. Most of them have cases that have nothing to do with any protests and get this, many of their so called candidates did not even participate in any meaningful protests either. They just exchanged money for party tickets which AAP was happy to hand out to anybody who cared to pay them a tidy sum. Heck their candidates don't even declare the cases or even their assets sincerely. There are AAP candidates who went in cars to submit affidavits which declared their net worth as Rs 100 or 500 or 1000. Yeah right, that is how a party containing honest folk behaves.

Secondly get the difference between the general gram Panchayats and Khap Panchayats. Panchayats are constitutionally and legally provisioned bodies and the members are elected in a democratic manner. They hold limited powers for the self governance of the village. They still have to abide by all the laws of the country. Khap panchayats are self appointed and monarchy style bodies usually constituting just the upper caste folk or the rich and powerful of the village who subject the rest of the people to their own brand of lawlessness in the name of justice. They take no responsibility, but abuse all the power they can get. Usually in such villages, everything is decided by this body and that includes who the votes go to in elections. They have been trying to get their lawlessness legalized for a long time now. Kejriwal simply made statements to get on their good side because they hold the power to force the entire village to vote for his party.

As for donations, there is absolutely no reason for political donations to be anonymous. Anonymous donations in most contexts (religious trusts or even in case of charitable trusts) is either black money or bribes. This is even more so in case of political donations.

If a party is as really honest as they claim to be, they would ensure at most transparency in how they are funded. If AAP doesn't care to show the people where and how they get their funds, then they have already defeated the self proclaimed reason for their existence. As an example, If somebody is running a chain of orphanages and old age homes and funding it by running prostitution and drugs racket, by your logic, would you be fine just acknowledging the former part that he is funding a good cause while ignoring the source of those funds?

How exactly do you even know that all the money is going to be used for good purposes. How do you define "good purpose" here. Note that this party is being run by a guy who is shameless enough to be leeching off his friends for years which is something no human being with self respect does. Without transparency, how exactly do we know that all those anonymous donations and donations from all those shell companies is being used for your so called "good purposes".

And yeah, nothings gonna change with the kind of governance that AAP and its leaders believe in. At a glance, it might look like corruption has reduced here and there at the surface level as they go about brandishing their power in an arbitrary manner, but what would actually happen under those kind of conditions is that the corruption will transition from one location to another and would actually intensify. This is same as what happened during Hitlers regime in Germany.
 
As for donations, there is absolutely no reason for political donations to be anonymous.
Yes there is if the donor isn't comfortable with it. They've been anonymous since the 80s btw for the very reason i mentioned earlier.

How do you define "good purpose" here.
broadly speaking address the deficit in democracy. What does it mean ? i don't know and that scares me.

Without transparency, how exactly do we know that all those anonymous donations and donations from all those shell companies is being used for your so called "good purposes".
By what they achieve. Same with any party.

And yeah, nothings gonna change with the kind of governance that AAP and its leaders believe in. At a glance, it might look like corruption has reduced here and there at the surface level as they go about brandishing their power in an arbitrary manner, but what would actually happen under those kind of conditions is that the corruption will transition from one location to another and would actually intensify. This is same as what happened during Hitlers regime in Germany.
My fear is thier lokpal can be used to witchhunt, use corruption charges to destroy your opponents. which will freeze action and paralyse the system. How to break the logjam. Declare emergency or become more authoritarian.

i don't even know the purpose for a lok pal when the lok ayukta of my state was good enough to topple a CM back in 2010, Two years before these IAC & AAP guys even showed up. Is that good enough or is more required. China btw has been doing some house cleaning over the last few years and some major bigwigs have been locked up. You could not have imagined it five years back.

There has been an authoritarian streak with hazare's moevement right from the get go. Absolute demands and if not delivered then there can be unrest. Their weapon is moral tyranny. We got so high on that after independence we lectured the world and at the same time went around with a begging bowl. This is a throwback in some ways to that era.

All with best intentions. Well the worst things imaginable can came out of the best intentions.

Anyway, they are contained in Delhi. The plan is watch them fail and then take over. But that is the theory, these guys could prove everybody wrong. Whatever works will be coopted by the BJP. Modi swiping their election symbol with his swach bharat campagin :D Copying can only get you so far though, sooner or later the people will figure things out.

There was definitely a bigger drive towards transparency as a result of IAC which have had beneficial effects. AAP is a successful political experiment, for now. The thing that gets me is their supporters. They could very well be your family members or even colleagues. Its kinda different than with the tradtional parties which people associate with as dirty. I had two volunteers show up at my place during hte lok sabha campaign and get this, one of them is a banker living in brazil and another lives in new york. And i'm wondering wth they care about this party. They said this was the only party that excited them after a long time. i told them what about Modi, isn't he the most exciting thing to happen, you know a PM that actually wants to be a PM, hmm yes. they acknowledged BJP would win but still this was the only party with a difference.

We've had an exciting year politics wise, the system is very healthy :)
 
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I don't know how relevant is this but written on 19th Jan:
http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/why-bjp-may-want-to-lose-delhi-1.1443516

Though as always many newspaper are full of "blow to Modi". Something which goes up will come down eventually. Celebrating one guy's defeat so heavily is rather strange. They first demi godifying the guy and then wonder how he got so powerful. BJP dint win J&K cause of "Modi" but the file and rank of state level workers. KB's promotion caused quite a lot of stir and we see what is the result.

And then, 'I Haven't Lost, the BJP Has, It Should Introspect', Says Kiran Bedi (I haven't watched the video so cant verify this):
http://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/no-referendum-on-pm-narendra-modi-says-bjps-kiran-bedi-738357
Someone had to rebut the gulf news op-ed sooner or later. I didn't see it s a conspiracy theory. Its not that they lost it on purpose but BJP just isn't a coherent unit in Delhi. It isnt some modi vs ak contest no matter how much the media wants to make it seem that way.
 
Someone had to rebut the gulf news op-ed sooner or later. I didn't see it s a conspiracy theory. Its not that they lost it on purpose but BJP just isn't a coherent unit in Delhi. It isnt some modi vs ak contest no matter how much the media wants to make it seem that way.
Irony is opindia is accused of their RW writing because of writing articles like the one mentioned above ;)
As for the article, while BJP might have wanted to "shift" focus, loosing an election so badly only looks even worse for them.
 
2 lakh crore for 15 lakh CCTVs.

1.33 million for each CCTV? Even including installation and maintenance charges it sounds way beyond the mark. Let's say we also add additional expenses for the combined hardware (computers, hard drives, fiber network, etc...), even then 1.33 million for each CCTV is a hard sell.

Still, installing so many CCTVs is a stupid idea. There are better things AAP has to be worried about. Women's security isn't going to magically improve by just adding CCTVs. It's a societal problem. Changing the mindset of the people will take time.
 
Irony is opindia is accused of their RW writing because of writing articles like the one mentioned above ;)
Use of terms like AAPtard and bhakt do not exactly inspire confidence. They are trying to make a point but i find it unprofessional. They seem to criticise everybody from what i saw. Didn't notice any bias either way. Better articles based on research will be out in a months time and we will know more.

As for the article, while BJP might have wanted to "shift" focus, loosing an election so badly only looks even worse for them.
It's never a good idea for a party to 'lose' an election. So anybody claiming so is arguing on a flawed premise.

But the point of your gulfnews as mentioned by one of the commenters is that losing might not be that bad. Not that they would try to lose it. Difference. Its a setback but nothing major. Its tempting to say they did not try to win it.
 
Use of terms like AAPtard and bhakt do not exactly inspire confidence. They are trying to make a point but i find it unprofessional. They seem to criticise everybody from what i saw. Didn't notice any bias either way. Better articles based on research will be out in a months time and we will know more.
They are an upcoming site, so it works for them to be controversial. No publicity is bad publicity, as the saying goes.

It's never a good idea for a party to 'lose' an election. So anybody claiming so is arguing on a flawed premise.

But the point of your gulfnews as mentioned by one of the commenters is that losing might not be that bad. Not that they would try to lose it. Difference. Its a setback but nothing major. Its tempting to say they did not try to win it.
The reason I shared it because it was doing rounds on social media. Hence the "I don't know how relevant it is", no endorsement of the article. So not "my" gulfnews ;) As for the article, I think we are saying the same thing but from different angel.
 
The reason I shared it because it was doing rounds on social media. Hence the "I don't know how relevant it is", no endorsement of the article. So not "my" gulfnews ;) As for the article, I think we are saying the same thing but from different angel.
Relevant ? how about perceptive. On that parameter it was very daring. A month before the elections even happened. That takes some serious balls and awareness of the ground given the winning streak BJP has had to suggest it might not be too bad to lose. For a party that came within 3 seats of actually winning only a year ago (!)

Had i read it when it came out and not when you posted it i would have been more sceptical. Almost to the point of thinking this was a anti-bjp article. But certainly not after the fact. Problem with social media is 80% of it is nonsense, same with what you read in forums. But every now & then it isn't and knowing that is difficult.

Just interpret it the right way, no conspiracy theory etc.
 
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And lets look at the latest incident in Delhi, 5 Churches attacked in two months what has the PM said about it? Do tell me. As a secular Christian I must admit that I'm really disturbed by this. And i think we all know that PM Modi started his days from RSS a hindu extremist group. The guy is now the PM of India. India is a secular democratic country. Now some groups want to omit the word "Secular." God bless this "secular" country. As for the whole pseudo-secular debate on the web I'll leave it to the people in power. If the PM is for the people, and the people is made up of everyone from all religion then shouldn't he be protecting their rights?
Will act strongly against any act of religious violence: PM Narendra Modi
 
The 'hate' stems from fear. Grapple with the cause not the symptom.

What i see is partisans make inflammatory comments then the fear mongers amplify it. which in turn helps the first group and makes them larger than life. Both feed of each other to serve their own ends.
 
I don't understand how making Delhi wifi investing so much in CCTvs help any real thing?

It is going to do jack. I just traveled a few hours ago from: Chandni Chown ---> Sohna Road. Groaaan...I was cursing my self for the traffic and lawlessness. We need like 2-3 lakh more traffic cops (honest ones) to fix things.
 
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