Harassment in residential societies and spinning of news by the media

I just read irfanlai's link. This might sound like an arrogant thing to say. But a lot of these police personnel come from lower income group families and live in slum-ish areas. Some of them may have raw natural intelligence (higher than mine sometimes) and some of their children may end up studying in IITs. That's not the point. On an average, the culture that they grow up in and the culture we grow up in tend to be very different. They come from a culture where it is usually believed that a woman being raped is her fault (because of her attire or whatever). In other words, they are gawaar.

These people are going to police us? Gimme a break.

Isn't the argument of their upbringing kind of moot. They are to police the public and should keep aside their personal beliefs and follow the constitution. They are the upholders of law and order, not the makers of it.
 
@Renegade You really think that there are less kids being sexually harassed than there are prostitutes in legit homes?

And rooting out the bigger evil first? Prostitutes are bigger evil than kids being sexually harassed?
I don't think any of that. Neither am I stopping anyone from having sex in their homes. I am myself trying to understand what drives the vigilantes.

As for the last line of yours, bigger in occurrences not in quantum.
 
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Isn't the argument of their upbringing kind of moot. They are to police the public and should keep aside their personal beliefs and follow the constitution. They are the upholders of law and order, not the makers of it.

You and I know that. They don't. I doubt they give it that much thought. Their personal beliefs do influence what they do and how they behave.
 
I don't think any of that. Neither am I stopping anyone from having sex in their homes. I am myself trying to understand what drives the vigilantes.

As for the last line of yours, bigger in occurrences not in quantum.

I just checked out the prostitution laws in India, it's not actually illegal (I thought it was until now). It's unregulated and only running brothels (or Prostitution Den's) is illegal.

From Wiki: In India, prostitution (the exchange of sexual services for money) is legal, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, keeping a brothel, pimping and pandering, are outlawed.

So, as long as it is a one on one transaction, and out of public places, it's OK to transact money for sex.

The police and the society heads look even more dumb now, they are also kicking the constitution aside.
 
Isn't the argument of their upbringing kind of moot. They are to police the public and should keep aside their personal beliefs and follow the constitution. They are the upholders of law and order, not the makers of it.
Actually what Oink said is very relevant. In an ideal world what you said would hold true. Its human nature to be influenced with your biases and its not easy to get rid of. Education and exposure can temper it to a large extent but even the best of us can't avoid it completely.
 
Actually what Oink said is very relevant. In an ideal world what you said would hold true. Its human nature to be influenced with your biases and its not easy to get rid of. Education and exposure can temper it to a large extent but even the best of us can't avoid it completely.

Agreed.

But we've deviated from the original topic, that is residential neighbours and society heads invading your privacy and snooping into everything you do, as if it is their right. And on top of that, having their morals dumped on others. Police come into picture later on, although they're partially to be blamed too.
 
these print/news media companies should be sued for damages in crores. only then such a nonsense would stop. no wonder you dont find good news in the papers. its only politics, crime or sports and ads. Even the tv channels are full of this.
 
Not only this, I read an article from known Bollywood film-makers who are also fed up with this kind of moral policing.

Recently, a lawyer filed a case against Jolly LLB. His issue with the movie was that they were depicting lawyers as being jolly, when the profession certainly wasn't jolly in any way. :eek:
 
But we've deviated from the original topic, that is residential neighbours and society heads invading your privacy and snooping into everything you do, as if it is their right. And on top of that, having their morals dumped on others. Police come into picture later on, although they're partially to be blamed too.

The question is, what can we do practically to change that? We could sit here and talk about it on forums day in and day out.

Moral policing is a huge problem in this country. Educated and civilised people hardly stand up in unison and voice their opinion strongly. The gawaar people are pretty good at voicing their opinion though. They even physically intimidate people. Our "civility" is not allowing us to be tough.
 
I can bet you, if the flat owner had been a male, this would not have happened. It is bias towards women and people trying to map ideology (theirs) onto others. Something which Indians are famous for. It is similar to how we all stop our bikes and cars to gawk at an accident or go running out into our balconies when an argument happens down below. We always like to be on the moral high ground and to lecture others (and poke our nose in others business. No wonder FB is such a big hit in India...!). It is quite weird, this mind set. You see it for simple aspects like: speaking English, gorging on non-veg; walking with a lot of shopping bags, being an individual, or non-societal in nature. We are scared to become westernized in out-look and take pride in being indigenous (nothing wrong with this); but when it goes viral and culture-Nazi it is detrimental. That is one of the initial shocks when and Indian (as an adult) goes abroad. All mind their business, and carry on with life.
 
Not only this, I read an article from known Bollywood film-makers who are also fed up with this kind of moral policing.

Recently, a lawyer filed a case against Jolly LLB. His issue with the movie was that they were depicting lawyers as being jolly, when the profession certainly wasn't jolly in any way. :eek:
Such people should be sent to a mental institute for checkup since they cant make out the difference between an art form like a movie which is fiction like somebody's imagination and real life.

Oinkboink, most of the moral policing is done equally by gawaar and also well educated people. Most of the common men & women are working class who dont stray out of their path. They wont bother even if they're at the receiving end. You actually cant fault them since they have more worries in life like paying bills, looking after kids, house etc than taking such idiotic people and their antics into consideration.
 
Oinkboink, most of the moral policing is done equally by gawaar and also well educated people.

IMO, educated people who do this are gawaar too. Basically, anyone who imposes their beliefs on others, when those beliefs are not grounded in rational reason. They simply do it because it fits their view of how the world should work, of what is moral and immoral.

Also, how do people delineate between what is western and what rationally makes sense ? What if something that originated in the west (or the middle east for that matter) is useful? Do we discard it under the western tag?
 
And then there is the prejudice of people renting their houses as well. Took me and two friends ages to find a place in Bombay right after we graduated. (On the flip side, I have seen quite a few of my friends treat their rented places very poorly. So wouldn't blame the house owners entirely).

We also anticipated these problems with the association when we finally did find a place. We found out who the president and secretary were, went to their place bearing gifts and introduced ourselves on the first day. They treated us quite normally, so maybe our plan worked.
 
And then there is the prejudice of people renting their houses as well. Took me and two friends ages to find a place in Bombay right after we graduated. (On the flip side, I have seen quite a few of my friends treat their rented places very poorly. So wouldn't blame the house owners entirely).

We also anticipated these problems with the association when we finally did find a place. We found out who the president and secretary were, went to their place bearing gifts and introduced ourselves on the first day. They treated us quite normally, so maybe our plan worked.

Did you face any problem bringing chicks to your place ?
 
Did you face any problem bringing chicks to your place ?


Nope. As an aside, the only time someone raised an issue was actually the agent who found us the apartment. He seemed to be under the impression that he should have gotten a fresh commission of a months rent every time we renewed the annual contract. He tried to blackmail us that he would go complain to the others in the society that we had a girl staying over. He slunk away when we told him that was actually my friend's sister.
 
Nope. As an aside, the only time someone raised an issue was actually the agent who found us the apartment. He seemed to be under the impression that he should have gotten a fresh commission of a months rent every time we renewed the annual contract. He tried to blackmail us that he would go complain to the others in the society that we had a girl staying over. He slunk away when we told him that was actually my friend's sister.

Dafuq? Let's say she were not your friend's sister and he did complain to your society people, what would have happened ? Would they make a fuss about you having a girl over?
 
Dafuq? Let's say she were not your friend's sister and he did complain to your society people, what would have happened ? Would they make a fuss about you having a girl over?


The secretary lived on the same floor as us. Didn't seem to have any problem with us in the 3 years or so that we lived there.


Another funny incident. A friend lived in an apartment complex that seemed to police the food that was delivered to any flat. They didn't want non-vegetarian food entering the building so the society people would waylay the delivery people and inspect for presence of meat. If found, the delivery guy was sent back. The friend took to tipping the delivery guys and asking them to answer that the food was Paneer Tikka Masala and not Chicken Tikka Masala!
 
Another funny incident. A friend lived in an apartment complex that seemed to police the food that was delivered to any flat. They didn't want non-vegetarian food entering the building so the society people would waylay the delivery people and inspect for presence of meat. If found, the delivery guy was sent back. The friend took to tipping the delivery guys and asking them to answer that the food was Paneer Tikka Masala and not Chicken Tikka Masala!

Sheesh! This comes back to all those ridiculous beliefs people have again. For example, my mum doesn't let me use any of the normal plates in my house to eat non-veg food. She keeps a special plastic plate for me. I mean, what the hell?

That just reminded me. Do any of the ladies in any of your families follow this practice of not touching certain things during their period ? I find it ridiculous.
 
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