whos the real slim shady please stand up

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well guys and seen a few chicks too on te so a more democraratic gesture will be ppl or te ites well i was wondering the other day and we had a really hot debate on this in our law school as to why piracy is so rampant and someone answered well educated dudes dont involve in more piracy than the lower strata semi or non educated class thus she told us its the empowerment of knowlege when more and more people start knowing this that what they are usually doing is illegal they surely will refrain from it, on this i got an idea well why not ask the people who r so happening or atleast try to be ,in tech ;) (sorry pun intended)
atleast for india wat other better choice then tech enclave (junta ka poll)
Cool down ppl i am not going to leak out any info nor do i work in any piracy dept :eek:hyeah: but take it this way i will put a poll and u guys just answer whether u feel u have never done any piracy or sometimes involved in the 1 or another form atleast in one please be honest i am not going to sue any of u as i am the first 1 in the poll to answer it as yes , and let me specify my line
of attack
DO U PPL THINK THAT U ARE USING A PIRATED XP
(well mark my words i have not used the word ''DO U USE , its only MAYBE , so theres no liability on u even if u answer in yes ;), as it only u think ( BUT GUYS OOPS PPL BE HONEST) (and i hope atleast all of u must have used xp sometime :hap2: )
the idea behind this entire post is r really intelleuctual people responsible for this rot or the naive end user who buys movie and mp3 cds for 30 rupees giving a fillip to this illict trade and sfter this poll is done which will run for a week i will again probe into why piracy is good and sometimes paying the author necessary and some legal loop holes too if u get caught some time . :hap2:

mods where the poll meter as it aint available till yet howsoever till then folks
just reply to the thread yes or no
 
Firstly NO... I don't use a pirated copy, I use a legal volume license for xp prof. Piracy is not only about education... It is however true that it is a probably the biggest factor. Ignorance and Price are major issues as well. Many people I know refuse to accept software as a commodity since physically it doesnt amount to anything. The "bigger is better" philosophy is so finely ingrained in the minds of many indians that to them paying thousands for a box that contains nothing more than a silver disk and a few sheets of paper seems a rather ridiculous thing to do. It'll take some time for them to accept the fact that software costs money to make and that software automatically doesnt come free with hardware! More stringent piracy laws are definitely needed. The laws need to be strict for real bootleggers who make profits off someone else's property. As for the end user, he/she needs to be told that proprietory software doesnt come for free. The price of software is another reason why this attitude persists as well. A person who earns 200$ a month would certainly not be willing to spend 150$ on an operating system however good or bad it may be. Software needs to be price according to the purchasing power of the people in a region. Look at games for instance, I'm sure the sale of games would have increased manyfold ever since the prices of AAA titles dropped from 3000+ to a much more agreeable 1299 or 1499 bucks.

A completely divergent philosophy to this would be to encourage the use of free software(read open source/GPL/LGPL) alternatives to packaged proprietory software. Sure most free software packages may not offer as much flexibility or features as proprietory software, but its more than enuf to get the job done for most people. Folks are free to share, copy, modify however much they like without getting into legal trouble. For a developing country like India, such options are definitely beneficial.

PS: I'm no GPL advocate. I do not care about the GPL nor do I condone its political annotations. However the benefits of open source can definitely not be overlooked!
 
Chaos said:
Firstly NO... I don't use a pirated copy, I use a legal volume license for xp prof. Piracy is not only about education... It is however true that it is a probably the biggest factor. Ignorance and Price are major issues as well. Many people I know refuse to accept software as a commodity since physically it doesnt amount to anything. The "bigger is better" philosophy is so finely ingrained in the minds of many indians that to them paying thousands for a box that contains nothing more than a silver disk and a few sheets of paper seems a rather ridiculous thing to do. It'll take some time for them to accept the fact that software costs money to make and that software automatically doesnt come free with hardware! More stringent piracy laws are definitely needed. The laws need to be strict for real bootleggers who make profits off someone else's property. As for the end user, he/she needs to be told that proprietory software doesnt come for free. The price of software is another reason why this attitude persists as well. A person who earns 200$ a month would certainly not be willing to spend 150$ on an operating system however good or bad it may be. Software needs to be price according to the purchasing power of the people in a region. Look at games for instance, I'm sure the sale of games would have increased manyfold ever since the prices of AAA titles dropped from 3000+ to a much more agreeable 1299 or 1499 bucks.

A completely divergent philosophy to this would be to encourage the use of free software(read open source/GPL/LGPL) alternatives to packaged proprietory software. Sure most free software packages may not offer as much flexibility or features as proprietory software, but its more than enuf to get the job done for most people. Folks are free to share, copy, modify however much they like without getting into legal trouble. For a developing country like India, such options are definitely beneficial.

PS: I'm no GPL advocate. I do not care about the GPL nor do I condone its political annotations. However the benefits of open source can definitely not be overlooked!
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dude well that was an outburst which iwas waiting for to hear someone from u , dude u passed the test , well i know the problem
well u talk of affordibility hey, just if cant afford a merc do u steal it, now u will tell me thats luxury and this is essntial sure win xp is luxury only bcoz u think u cannot be caught doesnot make a sin otherwise , there is linux around but people have become , what to say, lethargic,ZOMBIED by microsoft,

and i a country where the first essential (well i feel its a luxury) item which an indian buys is a cell fone dont tell me that ppl using microsoft cant afford it, theres a huge mathematics behind piracy which has led to vast unemployment in software field, this is a very interesting topic , why piracy, why is so tempting and it has no gulilt factor, the mafia behind keygens and warez , what r they getting out of it and lastly
u think have u saved 200 dollars on microsoft win xp when u using pirated,
nope dude u just
sacked one ous and this is the start of a new sin only
howsoever i wudnt hack my own thread but if u fellas want as i get more such outbursts i will open up a new threads
and MODS MY DEAR MODS PLZZ GRANT mE A POLL BAR
PLZZ
 
anishcool said:
Yes, not because I can't afford a copy but because its ridiculuosly expensive.
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so again anish u gonna steal smthin wat u feel is high priced if i sell a stone for some price , its ur wish dont buy it, and if u guys know theres an active consumer forum available in india where we can complain or depending on this thread wat say guys

lets make te a history sud we file a pil as the reports r turning out they r perforcing us to become thefts r u hinting towards that anish
 
Nah man ! you've thrown my post way off !

I meant MS got to understand that this is India ! And that when people are money concious they look at the cheapest option, which is a pirated copy.

MS needs to market the product in a way that only the original copy survives.

My copy works even with Windows Update :p and is updated much more than many legal copies with SP2 also :rofl:
 
anishcool said:
Nah man ! you've thrown my post way off !

I meant MS got to understand that this is India ! And that when people are money concious they look at the cheapest option, which is a pirated copy.

MS needs to market the product in a way that only the original copy survives.

My copy works even with Windows Update :p and is updated much more than many legal copies with SP2 also :rofl:
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dude on a serious note if the pack available for 8k if i offered u for 4 k wud u buy it or tommorrow if they really start suing with class action suits demanding
punitive damages of lac rupees wud u buy it, if the cops started cracking down as they do when u steal something from a showroom wud u still use ur copy, so do we need an exmple to be law abidding or what u think fellas doesnt microsoft know that rampant piracy is existing in india, and why it keeping quite then, the stories wholly different then what it looks, they are aiming for something else other they have a very sinister plan
 
I don't use any pirated software these days. While I do not believe that piracy is a very big problem, it certainly is unethical. When there are so many free alternatives available, I see no point in using pirated software just to take the easy way out.

There is, of course, another extreme, in which software are priced insanely high, and are not affordable by normal home users. But nobody is forcing you to buy that software, your life doesn't depend on it, and there is a 99% probabiliy that you will find a free equivalent for it :)
 
Hardware - Celeron 266 MHz, 128 MB RAM, Intel i740 8MB AGP card | Software - Slackware Linux 10.1; Arch Linux 0.7; Windows 98 SE | Humanware - GS/CS C++

dude ur hardware rocks and ur commitment too i am surprised got 2 two die hard open source evengelists outta here ,
on a lighter note have u tried overclocking ur proc
 
Chaos said:
Firstly NO... I don't use a pirated copy, I use a legal volume license for xp prof. Piracy is not only about education... It is however true that it is a probably the biggest factor. Ignorance and Price are major issues as well. Many people I know refuse to accept software as a commodity since physically it doesnt amount to anything. The "bigger is better" philosophy is so finely ingrained in the minds of many indians that to them paying thousands for a box that contains nothing more than a silver disk and a few sheets of paper seems a rather ridiculous thing to do. It'll take some time for them to accept the fact that software costs money to make and that software automatically doesnt come free with hardware! More stringent piracy laws are definitely needed. .....!
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I appreciate your feelings but I am not very sure about how far this logic about Intellectual Property Rights (IPRs) can be pushed. If your logic is taken literally, one should not photocopy books also. If IPRs are enforced strictly in a poor country, it can restrict a vast majority of the population from gaining knowledge. Is this desirable? :huh:
 
Count_Down said:
I appreciate your feelings but I am not very sure about how far this logic about Intellectual Property Rights (IPRs) can be pushed. If your logic is taken literally, one should not photocopy books also. If IPRs are enforced strictly in a poor country, it can isolate a vast majority of the population from gaining knowledge. Is this desirable?
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Glad someone brought this issue forward :). Well the simple fact is that some sort of IPR protection is definitely necessary, no matter where in the world we stay. If IP is not protected, there'd be no one really interested in doing research. After all if anyone can copy the fruits of your painstaking research and sell clones, is it justified? In all fairness, enforcing IPR does not directly lead to a barrier being put in the free flow of information. A person is perfectly allowed to publish his/her findings to disseminate knowledge about his work while still maintaining firm grip of IPR. Instead of allowing cheap chinese copies, enforcing IPR actually helps in innovation as the competitor would be forced to make something that is better than the original product to survive in a free market economy. This could be extending an existing idea or coming up with something radically different. It is sad that there exist draconian laws such as DMCA which explicitly forbid methods such as reverse engineering in the name of protection of IP and help mega corps in using arm twisting tactics. I hope that such laws never make it to india. Its upto us, the educated elite to make sure that india remains free in this regard!

Would prosecuting people for copying software solve the problem? Absolutely not. All it'll end up doing is losing the remaining few paying customers. It is upto the software maker to decide how much value addition a particular piece of code would provide to a prospective user and price the software accordingly. If software is priced ridiculously, there are bound to be people who'd copy it without paying as they plain can't afford to use it. For example, if a student wishes to learn how to use a particularly expensive piece of software, he'd not be expected to pay the entire premium to learn it. Software houses such as Alias Wavefront and Discreet didn't realize it earlier and this was the biggest reason why their software was pirated. Now they both have free learning editions of Maya and 3dsmax for students wishing to learn. However the way its written, this version cannot be/should not be used for commercial purposes. Its totally justified to be charging a premium if someone is making money off your software. If he doesnt pay the developer even then, such a person is a thief and deserves to be punished. Same is the case with books... most well known ones used for professional courses and the like have low priced editions. Again its upto the publisher of the book to think rationally about it. No one in India would be willing to shell out thousands for an American Edition of a book unless absolutely necessary. As far as photocopying books is concerned I guess a page or two for exam preparation is a valid cause. However copying an entire book and using it even though a lower priced edition is available is unjustified. In fact this is a rather strange case since probably the lower priced edition would be cheaper than copying the entire book in the first place :p.

Well these are my personal views. You may have different ones. A third party might think in a perpendicular way to me or you. I'm just trying to put forward what I think :). I've been in research for the last few years and it really pains me when some people, knowingly violate IPR inspite of having a perfectly acceptable alternative available.
 
using legit copy of Win XP Home..

Chaos said:
As far as photocopying books is concerned I guess a page or two for exam preparation is a valid cause.
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:rofl: lol.. one or two pages.. and that too for exam prep.. calls for micro xerox..
 
Count_Down said:
I appreciate your feelings but I am not very sure about how far this logic about Intellectual Property Rights (IPRs) can be pushed. If your logic is taken literally, one should not photocopy books also. If IPRs are enforced strictly in a poor country, it can restrict a vast majority of the population from gaining knowledge. Is this desirable? :huh:
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dude now u got into nitty gritties of law well ipr is for peples good and for education purposes the laws of copyright can anyday be twisted , again there is a fundamental of fair use , where use of copyright to some extent is usable as far as the subtle balance aint disturbed

and on this note guys u got 1 loop hole of copyright law but use it judiciously that is, for educative purposes where no entertainment purpose is served or profiteering is done its all legal to copy but ;) dudes dont catch hold for me
if u get caught and they find some stuff on ur comp which sudnt be there on first place ;) when u are pleading the defense of educative purpose, this calls for adult education , lol

again if u wanna get more gyaan on ipr visit my site www.iprguru.com , its still in developmental stage though but some of u guys cud help me out and in my ipr project section i have got four papers on ipr right from pharma to software check it out dudes

and wats dmca laws chaos put some light on it
 
Here is my openion:

I know what it takes to make a software (and debug it).Though im not a s/w pro,i can imagine the labour in developing s/w.

But IMO theese points r what i noticed (with respect to myself) for not using legitimate s/w:

1.Hardware prices:
get the hardware prices on par with the US then there is really a chance of more ppl buying s/w

2.Non availability:
There r many s/w which we need for specific needs and willing to buy but are not available here and many ppl (incldng me) don't have credit card

3.Non familiarity with OSS/GPL s/w:
I concider myself an advanced windows user but i can't make head or tail in linux (i tried SUSE,Mandrake,RH).
For example i could not install s/w w/o using the Command line like in windows.
 
Hmm.... nice discussion is going on abt piracy here....

I THINK I have a genuine copy of XP Prof.... Can;t say for sure....

Basically, Indians have never had the inclination to pay for anything. They want to get things cheap.

Be it anything.... books, DVDs, VCDs, car stereos, CD-Roms, cars itself( price is everything.... most people do not want to pay a little bit extra for comfort, safety, etc...)..

So, piracy is not surprising..... And that too given our close proximity with China.... the lord of all piracy....

OT: Some chinese manufacturer had actually made a car called S-RV which was a copy of the Honda C-RV. It looked EXACTLY the same, had a very similar name and was priced almost 30% cheaper.... people were fooled.... Honda was not amused and took them to court :bleh:
 
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