Police clamp down on anti-israel protests

Earlier video showed Dutch students speaking English to Dutch police. In this one we hear MIT students protesting in Arabic


Who are these people? Would you hire them?


Serial protesters who don't even care for the cause. They jump from protest to protest.

Protesting is fine. Intimidation is not. Supporting terrorists is not

No wonder without fail they all wear masks and will most likely in the future deny they even supported this cause in the first place
 
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Something I haven't seen at these protests in the US is asking for the return of these five American hostages. You would think that would be an issue for them since these people
a) weren't doing anything illegal ie. Britney Gryner
b) doing something stupid like touring in a war zone.

They were kidnapped.


Stranger still is the USG seems mum about it as well. I remember a time decades ago when any Americans held hostage would be a top government issue because the media talked about it. Being American counted for much more back then.
 
Well if the US gets back the hostages, there will be more pressure to stop funding wars. MIC want as may wars as possible and the US congress has bi partison support for wars, its only the MAGA and the libertarians who don't want any war.
 
Couple of weeks ago something interesting happened at UNC Chapel Hill. The American flag flying in the main quad was lowered and a Palestinian flag was raised. UNC is a state uni so the cops got called in.


Protests starts off as antiwar, becomes anti Israel and then anti American. How did that last jump happen. What's going on here?

Well, the protesters tried to lower the flag a second time but we're stopped by the more patriot minded frat boys


They held it up for an hour like that and the video went viral.

Americans don't like their flag being taken down it's like an affront to their sovereignity. Anyone upholding the flag in this situation is a hero.


This was good natured but the more protesters push this the sooner the natives will turn on them
 
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Like this guy at 3AM at Liverpool University with his JBL Charge

Why won't you sing with me :D


After a hard day of screaming protesters need a good night's sleep.

Same deal at UCLA, lol


There was something else the ucla counter protesters played at night to disturb the protesters on party size JBL speakers.

A popular Israeli children's song.

I couldn't get the relevance until someone explained the IDF played this song to surrendered Hamas terrorists for eight hours straight :D

There's even a university of Sydney version


Didn't know the Jews had a call to prayer as well. Inclusivity is good. Agreed
 
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What does it say about the quality of your education system when students at the top universities are unable to determine who the bad guys were on Oct 7??

The US has experienced the equivalent of over 20 JNU's erupting simultaneously. Think of the reputational damage to name of the college. To say you went to any of these colleges used to be a boast. Now it's an embarrassment.


Douglas Murray has been a voice of moral clarity right through this conflict. For a foreigner and non Jew he's done a better job of defending Israel than it's own people. The Israeli government recently acknowledged his contribution.


From a law professor at GWU. Whose namesake statue has been dressed up to look like a terrorist. What a shame :grumpy:

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That would be the first president of the US. I don't get the symbolism there. Are they saying the US should have remained a British colony. There is no way to equate George Washington to Hamas. Lol. These are humanities students who should know their history or are they repudiating that too. This is 100% theatre and 0% substance.

Oh and the flag draped over the building was put there by other students to remind these morons which country they are in presently.

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MIT student exchange program. Good idea :D

Same nonsense in the UK. No administration action for now. Police are hands off. How long for.


They like masks. Well, it is customary for women of these cultures to cover their faces. But not the men :D

They want to be there but be able to deny it at the same time. Why. This means they will never admit to having supported this cause in the future because it's not something to be proud of. Doesn't say much about their convictions. So why do it then.

They don't believe in freedom of the press or speech. They been coached not to talk to the press or what? Be kicked out of the hippie camp. A warning goes off on the loudspeaker that an intruder has entered the camp. More minders show up along with others to scream at the reporter.

Not one of them has the balls to talk about this so called cause they're supporting. It's like a cult. No debating, no opposing views tolerated, no conversations, no learning. The very opposite of being in university.

And this is Oxford. Famous for the centuries old tradition of debates. Why would you respect these people now? No Brit would be proud of this let alone former alums.

Love the way he asks whether they're behaving like fascists. Because that's exactly what this is. They get full freedom to express themselves in whatever way possible but won't reciprocate.

Some commentators support the students because they're the first to protest when things are going wrong with a society. If these schools are producing such low quality students like this then I'm in complete agreement too that something is wrong with the society these students come from.

It's in the former dictatorships that student movements are notable but last I checked the west hasn't become a dictatorship.
 
Thanks for sharing this. I see that I was in the wrong camp on my University's quad in terms of getting money, unlike earlier claims.

I can already see the replies to this message saying how $50million is peanuts compared to the billions in donations mentioned previously on this chat to which I would probably say that this is just ONE person donating that much and so on, but oh well. The heart wants what the heart wants, I suppose ;)
 

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As far as the title goes, columbia is a private university. Unless the cops are called they cannot enter. My first thought is this article wants to whitewash the Columbia boards decision and point the finger elsewhere ie. insinuate Mayor wants contributions for his 2025 campaign and in exchange will clampdown
“Any suggestion that other considerations were involved in the decision-making process is completely false,” Deputy mayor Fabien Levy said. He added, “The insinuation that Jewish donors secretly plotted to influence government operations is an all too familiar antisemitic trope that the Washington Post should be ashamed to ask about, let alone normalize in print.”
Exactly
In the chat, discussion turned to the fact that Columbia had to grant Adams permission before he could send city police to the campus.
At least they admitted it.
the goal of the group was to “change the narrative” in favor of Israel, partly by conveying “the atrocities committed by Hamas … to all Americans.”
Wouldn't have to do this if the media did its job. But the liberal media is anti Israel, anti Israel government (because it's right wing) and anti Bibi. And went wholesale with the Hamas narrative. All the big names with very little scrutiny.

Know why? To avoid getting blacklisted by Hamas and that means loss of business. Same deal with the CCP. Image is very important for islamists & communists.
The chat group formed shortly after the Oct. 7 attack, and its activism has stretched beyond New York, touching the highest levels of the Israeli government, the U.S. business world and elite universities. Titled “Israel Current Events,” the chat eventually expanded to about 100 members, the chat log shows. More than a dozen members of the group appear on Forbes’s annual list of billionaires; others work in real estate, finance and communications.
If you followed Israeli media and commentators you would not learn anything new in this group. The group just summarised the Israeli governments main points.
Overall, the messages offer a window into how some prominent individuals have wielded their money and power in an effort to shape American views of the Gaza war, as well as the actions of academic, business and political leaders — including New York’s mayor.
And how successful has it been? Does anyone believe Israel is winning the PR war :)

Whatever the western MSM publishes gets syndicated worldwide including in India.

The polls show Americans as solidly behind Israel but the Whitehouse seems to talk out of both sides of its mouth.
Cypriot Israeli real estate billionaire Yakir Gabay, a chat member, wrote in a statement shared by a spokesperson that he joined the group because he wanted to “share support at a difficult and painful time,” to aid the victims of Hamas attacks and to “try and correct the false and misleading information intentionally spread worldwide to deny or cover up the suffering caused by Hamas.”
Absolutely. We've entered an Alice in wonderland, through the looking glass kind of world where the truth has been inverted. If you aren't following the Israelis you will believe whatever else you read or hear.
The mayor has subsequently alleged student activists were affected by “outside influences” — and that police intervention was needed to prevent “children” from being “radicalized.”
Yeah those are the facts but see the sarcasm implied by this journalist in using quotes
On Oct. 12, a staffer for Sternlicht relayed a message from his boss outlining the group’s mission: While Israel worked to “win the physical war,” the chat group’s members would “help win the war” of U.S. public opinion by funding an information campaign against Hamas.
Nice effort, every little bit helps if only to get at the silent majority who would be open to a different opinion.

Some of the media campaign’s activities were public, including its website, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Facebook and X accounts, which together attracted more than 170,000 followers.
Have already posted about Tiktok in another thread. Israeli influencers had no chance on Tiktok.

170k is absolute peanuts when the pro Hamas accounts were in the millions and one Palestinian model has close to a 100 million followers on her insta. She's been posting in favour of her side big time.
At a moment of rising antisemitism, the staffer for Sternlicht wrote in one of the first chat messages that his boss was proud of his Jewish heritage and wanted to support Israel, but was also concerned about security. Anonymity, the staffer wrote Oct. 12 on Sternlicht’s behalf, “is a practical need and concern for safety of my family in an increasingly complex world.”
This is the sad reality if you're a jew living outside Israel with absolutely nothing to do with this conflict. If you look Jewish you become a potential target. Places frequented or Jewish owned too


What starts with the Jews doesn't end with the Jews. A fire once lit comes after others.
The staffer wrote that Sternlicht understood if other members felt similarly and promised that all contributions to the media campaign would remain anonymous. “I’m sensitive to concerns about being less effective if it appears that this is a Jewish initiative,” the staffer wrote, speaking for Sternlicht.
So get a black guy to do it then


Super bowl ads don't come cheap. That 30s ad cost $7 million to air
“Most appreciative for the behind the scenes briefing by Naftali Bennett,” Schultz, the former CEO of Starbucks, wrote to the group on Oct. 16. “Quite extraordinary!”
He's been on many news channels. Even has a you tube channel. Are people listening?
In late October, the chat records show, chat members appear to have suggested to Israeli officials they should hold a private New York City screening for media of “Bearing Witness,” the IDF film featuring graphic footage recorded by Hamas gunmen on body cameras and cellphones as they attacked Israel. Sitt wrote in a message to the group on Oct. 27 that Israeli officials wanted to thank them “for coming up with the concept of the press event in NYC.”
Yeah, I've heard about this film. Kashmir Files was bad enough for me. This is a horror film that is 10x worse. I know and believe what happened. I don't need more proof.
Columbia students first set up an encampment April 17, eventually leading some Jewish students to allege the protests had forged a hostile and harassing atmosphere. Police stepped in to clear the encampment at the Columbia president’s request on April 18, arresting more than 100 demonstrators.
Such innocuous phrasing. More like get beaten up at anytime and need escorts to accompany you from one part of the campus to another. And all this had to be organised by Jewish student orgs. Some campuses had liberated zones ie. Jew free :facepalm: and no help from the university that you pay high fees for.
Lubetzky, of the snack company Kind, posted in the chat sharing a link to an Instagram video showing an Israeli Arab journalist getting hit by a man the video caption claims is an “anti-Israel protester.” Not long after, billionaire Blavatnik posted a picture of Adams and wrote, “He needs help.”
That was youssef Haddad. Know why he was hit? Because this one guy can prove Israeli Arabs that make up 20% of Israeli citizens are not second class citizens and in fact are more free and have more rights as arabs in Israel than they would be anywhere else in the Arab world. Putting the lie in the 'apartheid state' slogan.

There is even a Muslim brothers political party in Israel's parliament.


At Melbourne University, this guy took a bodyguard with him. Went much better

Can you tell me if Oct 7 was wrong? No :banghead:
 
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Over to Cambridge with the former home secretary and alum. She's an immigrant from Uganda after Idi Amin kicked the Indians out. Her parents didn't attend University so it must have been pretty big when she was accepted.

Former because she resigned at the lack of police action as the protests wore on in London. She is the equivalent of the interior minister here. Cabinet level.


Cambridge is a great teaching environment, supposed to foster discussion, exploration of ideas, respect, freedom of thought but recently we see thuggery, intimidation and harassment where one side blasts out their messages with a megaphone and the other is supposed to shut up

Universities shouldn't take political positions. They're not here to indoctrinate or to be vehicles of political campaigns




These are supposed to be some of the brightest and best students in the land. Taught in the art of articulating their views and expressing their arguments in a coherent way

Not a single person will engage with a former cabinet minister?

If they're protesting shouldn't they be saying why they're protesting. Don't they have a slogan that goes Silence is violence?

What kind of protest actively avoids sharing its views at every opportunity? At having a chance to sway others to their cause? This is a protest where the protestors realise, even if not consciously, that they cannot argue their own beliefs with logic or facts. Only virtue-signalling 'feelings'.

How is a protest of any use, if you do not take the opportunity to debate and put forth your views when blatantly offered? They were being given a platform, regardless of how 'biased' they think that platform may be. What is to be gained by protest if you only talk to those who already agree with you? Is a protest not itself a way to communicate beliefs to those with whom you disagree? There's no point protesting for the benefit of those who already agree with you.

Good on Suella for showing up these ignorant fools and their inability and fear to stand up for their beliefs.

Not a single word other than get out of our effing campus :D Can't have a conversation with fanatics and it appears cowards.

Looks like a gimmick, looks like a stunt. Are they actually sincere?

Their idea of a liberated zone is standing out in the rain getting wet, masks and balaclavas on



What are we to make of this?


The London marches started back in October not to protest Israel but to celebrate Oct 7.

Oct 7 was not an act of despair as most people think but an action carried out by Hamas with the intent to win. This is why they immediately posted their showoff videos. Israel lost that day. No way to sugarcoat it.

See the way some student slashes the portrait of Lord Balfour. Nothing was done. This behaviour was tolerated so it emboldens further misbehaviour.



So Cambridge decided to grow a pair and sent somebody semi intelligent to debate Suella. The best they could find was a national campaigns coordinator from the revolutionary communist party. Lol. I would love to know what course this kid is studying at Cambridge because the one speaking for Columbia was a complete joke.

Does Israel have a right to exist? I think that's a silly question..

If you dodge that question it means no, you don't believe Israel has a right to exist

Does Israel have a right to defend itself? Israel does not have a right to do what it's doing which is a genocide.

Then what should Israel do instead? This question has been asked by Israeli spokespeople on numerous channels and there is no better alternative offered. She obviously doesn't even know what genocide means but it's a fashionable term to use these days.

But ICJ has said legally what Israel is doing is a genocide

No, they have not said that and one of the former judges had to clarify this point since everybody misunderstood it because interested parties purposely twisted it.

The slogan from the river to the sea is anti semitic. Do you you agree? No, it's not anti semitic

The Arabic version is from the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab. Much clearer in Arabic than English.

Do you want to smash the capitalist system? Absolutely, because capitalism produces war and imperialism

Matter of time before this kid brought out the communist manifesto. lol. All she knows is to parrot soviet anti Israeli propaganda verbatim from the 60s.

She won't condemn Hamas. She took quite a few shots at the former secretary as well.

This is the state of universities in the west. They've been captured by the left. No viewpoint diversity. The west looked away after the defeat of communism but the comrades came over and took over the universities. Slowly & stealthily they indoctrinated a generation that will carry forth those ideas. The solution isn't how to reform these universities but how to protect society from them.

There is a very simple response to all these kids.

Israel wins. Hamas loses. If the choice is between becoming a pariah state which is an empty threat and surrender then the former is preferable.

Otherwise Oct 7 repeats from Gaza. The people in Judea & Samaria think they can too and so will hezbollah. Israel will face a recurring three front fight in perpetuity.

As to what comes after the war, the plan is to change the education system so there are no parties that promote killing Israelis. There will be a military government in place until such time it is suitable to change to civilian.

That is the Israeli plan whether the world likes it or not. The world does not have to worry about getting kidnapped from their beds. Israel does.
 
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How important are these protests for US students among other concerns?

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It's like ninth in the list of issues.

Just 13% think so. Of which only 8% took part. But you wouldn't think that given the publicity


A large majority (81%) of students support holding protesters accountable, agreeing with the notion that those who destroyed property or vandalized or illegally occupied buildings should be held responsible by their university, per the survey.

  • A majority also said they oppose the protest tactics: 67% say occupying campus buildings is unacceptable and 58% say it's not acceptable to refuse a university's order to disperse.
  • Another 90% said blocking pro-Israel students from parts of campus is unacceptable.

Quite revealing


liked how he countered in as definitive and clear way as could be without using any cusswords or inflammatory speech! made her speechless and went away waving goodbye! :smile:

(p.s. - amusing that she objected to it when it was these people who were going around shamelessly ripping off photos & posters of captured hostages & children in europe & america earlier. few months back was greeted at amsterdam airport by the sight of mobs of these people occupying a section of the airport itself sloganeering & shouting, with photos & names of alleged victims pasted over the floors, all under the gracious protection of & cordoning-off by airport/police-security.)
 
Only a matter of time

Oxford University

It starts with encampments and then becomes an 'occupy' movement

Harvard University

I am deeply disappointed about the intolerance of freedom of speech and right to civil disobedience on campus

Didn't know such a right existed at Harvard

You paid all those fees, worked for your degree and then developed a moral conscience at your graduation ceremony. Got it :hilarious:

This outburst stems from the fact 13 students will not receive their degree from Harvard for breaking the rules.

They decided to become martyrs for the cause. Harvard obviously isn't good enough for their standards. They don't want their degrees. Why this 'Let them walk' protest for them then??

So you can have your cake and eat it. Abuse all the freedoms the country gives you to support tyrants and break rules in the process. Got it.

UCLA

I thought the UCLA encampments were cleared out two weeks back. This is round 2.

True to form freedom of the press is not allowed. Journalists are now called Neo Nazis


It is common to name high schools after terrorists in Gaza and Judea/Samaria. So it's curious to see the same practice hop oceans to UCLA.


History is going to be horrible to these kids. During the Vietnam War, protesters never embraced and made heroes of the Viet cong like they are doing with terrorists here. Terrorists with whom they are like Turkeys for Christmas. After Israel they will be next.
 
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How much do these protesters really know :hilarious:


Yeah I've wondered about that too


Kids programs in Gaza


Love how she mentions having to stop genocide and then advocates for 'total liberation' :)

She said the quiet part out loud. Are any world governments listening?

There is no two state solution. It's always been about one state!
 
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Oh really
And before you say it's "aid", know that no country, much less the USA, is not so naive to simply give $300billion of aid to any country if it doesn't expect something in return (be it intelligence via MOSSAD, technology developed by them, etc).
In addition to my earlier reply, let's get into that 'etc' bit more because it dwarfs the other things you think the US gets from Israel.

Israel is the largest US aircraft carrier which does not require American soldiers on board, cannot be sunk and is deployed in a most critical region sparing the US the need to manufacture, deploy and maintain a few more real aircraft carriers and additional ground divisions which would cost the US taxpayer some $15 billion a year annually.



The Americans have being laughing all the way to the bank for how long now? with their Israeli investment giving a 300% return


And strategically since the late 60s. Who can even ascribe a $ amount to the value Israel has provided...better to think mutual security for security.


Deterring Syria from toppling Jordan in 1970 saved the pro western oil producing gulf countries. What a massive change that prevented on the ME cold war chessboard :eek:

In fact historically, in Israel's case defying the US has also proven to be mutually beneficial


The only people the state of Israel owes anything to are it's own people and that starts with the basics like giving them a safe space to live in.
 
Two terms of Trudeau and this is what you get in Canada


See how this works. They create exclusion zones on university of Toronto premises which is public property and the cops do nothing.

If you don't agree a genocide is happening they won't let you in. No arguing.


If you aren't inviting students to learn then what are you doing?? You are practicing a lack of inclusion, a lack of diversity, a lack of empathy, a lack of law abiding...

GENOCIDE, GENOCIDE...

and she's a PhD student. What in I wonder :D


No Canadian flags in sight. Wonder why.


Why would an American flag trigger them that too on memorial day?

Cameras. Raise your hands for fifteen seconds while they're running.
 
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Never expected to find an Israeli shills
in an indian tech forum ,man is fuming with anger about student protest in a foreign country looks like he run out of farmers and student protesters in india to abuse or the hasbara has increased their paycheck 2.5 usd,

About my views for israel? Its an illegitimate child of European colonialism, a nation created my European to spread chaos and war in the middle east ,just the fact that a random person can convert to judaism and became native to palestine is enough to see how thin and stupid their arguments of modern jew or Israeli being native to the land is , If a person converts to Buddhism he doesn't became native to india and it doesn't grant him the right to relocate to india and kick native people out.

As for the whole terrorist argument, maybe read some history how Israel announced its freedom by terrorist attacks on the british and native palestinian ,IDF was formed with the merger of terrorist organisation like irgun and haganah,
Israels major political parties were former terrorist organisation

Israel is a country that is inherently evil,from supplying weapon during Rwandan genocide to supplying spyware to dictators around the world to supporting south africas apartheid ,they have no moral compass and superiority over anyone not even hamas

As for your argument about the intent that palestinian and their supporter only want one state ,Israel passed a law in parliament that they will never accept a two state solution, what will you say about it?

And what do you propose the palestinian should do? Sit around and enjoy being wiped out from their own land

As for your passion in this i guess you were extremely passionate about chips in rs 2000 too
 
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