Police raid home of 9-year-old girl because she used The Pirate Bay

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Post update: http://www.techenclave.com/internet-talk/father-raided-9-year-old-142254/

What happens when a 9-year-old girl illegally downloads some songs off the The Pirate Bay? Her home is raided by the police and her laptop is confiscated. Yep, that is what recently happened to a family in Finland.

As the story goes, in 2011 a young 9-year-old girl wanted to purchase a pop music album (by artist Chisu) but couldn't save up enough money on her own to get it. So she decided to Google her way to the songs, eventually landing on The Pirate Bay and downloading them. In the process of downloading the songs, the IP address of her home internet connection was recorded which resulted in Finland's anti-piracy group Copyright Information And Anti-Piracy Centre (CIAPC) sending a letter to the father of the girl telling him to pay a sum of 600 euros (and sign a non-disclosure agreement) otherwise he will be prosecuted.

The father decided to not pay the 600 euros. So the police showed up at his home with a search warrant that allowed them to search the family home for evidence of the illegal downloading. This resulted in the police taking away the 9-year-old girl's 'Winnie the Pooh' laptop that she used to download the songs. Presumably this will lead to the eventual prosecution of the father, since he is the account holder of the internet connection and Finnish law holds account holders responsible. It isn't entirely clear why the father did not pay, but his public comments seem to indicate he couldn't afford to pay the fine; it was either pay the fine and "keep [his] family in hunger for the next two weeks" or not pay the fine and eat.

The kicker? According to the father, the songs the girl downloaded didn't work so the girl and her father went to buy the music from a store.

This whole incidence is actually a bit more complex than it may seem -- it isn't simply black and white, "police are wrong, family is right". On one side, someone (even if it was a little girl) did illegally download music off the internet in that house and the police was (is) fully within their legal rights (as granted by Finnish law) to search the house for evidence of the crime. Plus I'm sure, prior to the raid, the police didn't know it was a 9-year-old girl that did the downloading. On the other side, however, asking someone to pay a large sum of money or risk prosecution is nothing more than legal extortion, akin to what some companies and law firms do in the United States. On top of that, I'm sure the little girl did not (does not) know what is right or wrong when it comes to songs; I highly doubt she knew she was doing something illegal. After all, she found it off Google -- Google is always right! Indeed, the whole ordeal is bad for all parties involved; a headache for the family and bad PR for the police, CIAPC, Chisu, and the music industry as a whole.


Link: Police raid home of 9-year-old girl, take away her ‘Winnie the Pooh’ laptop because she used The Pirate Bay | Reviews, news, tips, and tricks -- dotTech
Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl, Confiscate Winnie The Pooh Laptop | TorrentFreak
 
As far as I can see, the system was at least fair to them in that they were given the option of paying a mere 600 Euro to settle the things unlike other countries where the damages involved would be in the order of millions and decently long prison sentences. At the very least the laws are not totally one sided like we have in India.

If somebody tries to break into a store to loot stuff, he may not may not be caught. Its the same thing here. In the end its their bad luck that they were caught. As for the father being prosecuted, the law I guess is similar to what we have in India where the account holder is responsible for what ever happens on his internet connection. Even if the crime is done by a 9 year old, it is no excuse as the parent he ought to have been more responsible to ensure that the internet is being used in the right manner.
 
As far as I can see, the system was at least fair to them in that they were given the option of paying a mere 600 Euro to settle the things unlike other countries where the damages involved would be in the order of millions and decently long prison sentences. At the very least the laws are not totally one sided like we have in India.

If somebody tries to break into a store to loot stuff, he may not may not be caught. Its the same thing here. In the end its their bad luck that they were caught. As for the father being prosecuted, the law I guess is similar to what we have in India where the account holder is responsible for what ever happens on his internet connection. Even if the crime is done by a 9 year old, it is no excuse as the parent he ought to have been more responsible to ensure that the internet is being used in the right manner.

It is legal extortion. They're basically saying - Pay up or we'll prosecute you such that you won't have the money to even defend yourself. And it's not stealing. If I steal a store, the owner loses his/her property, but digital copying does neither and is just duplication of property. The original owner still has access to the property, so stop associating it with looting and stealing as the MAFIAA has made you believe. And moreover, how is a song or an album worth 600 Euros? Charge double or even triple as fine, but 600 Euros is still a large amount, never mind the reckless million dollar charges.
 
You can sugarcoat it by not calling it stealing but it deprives somebody a sale specially when the owner has not provided permission.
 
Will like to see those who advocate PIRACY AS SHARING,NOT LOOTING being at the receiving end.Once u are there, it hurts like anything.
 
piracy is illegal. you are sharing the data from/to a person who is not legally authorized to do that. Which means, the law is right. But the exorbit amounts or the penalization is what is heart breaking. Law, if not to be broken, can be bent a little in certain cases like this.
Imagine if this happens in a country where the offender (in this case the child) is liable to his/her actions. Will they go ahead and punish the little child or penalize with such huge amounts (atleast for a common man)?? Are they right in prosecuting a child who doesnt know about what he/she is doing??

As I said.. Rules/Law can be bent a little at times
 
Lol at the comments. How many of you shouting "Piracy Is bad" download episodes of Homeland, Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead etc the minute it is out on the web ? :|
 
Piracy is part and parcel of life. Who purchases Hindi songs/Movies or English songs/Movies legally?
As far as i know only 5-10% in India. Rest 95% downloads it from net.

From the day i have started using Internet i have not purchased a single Original movie or Song DVD. Download from net is the best option.

Just for 1 good song in the movie(Tees Mar Khan) like Sheela ki Jawani i wont pay 300rs in Cinema or 100rs for a Song CD :p
 
Piracy is good unless it was used as educational purpose.
For eg. Downloading 3DS Max/After Effects and learning some tutorial online make Animators and visual directors. Then the guy does good job and buy the software from what he learned, this is equilibrium. Without Piracy he wont learn as he cant purchase a software that cost a hefty money. Also if he finds that its not of his taste, simply deleting it wont make any lose to anyone, even developers.

Offtopic: without this how can i read manga & manhwa. :1ign33:
 
Piracy is good unless it was used as educational purpose.
For eg. Downloading 3DS Max/After Effects and learning some tutorial online make Animators and visual directors. Then the guy does good job and buy the software from what he learned, this is equilibrium. Without Piracy he wont learn as he cant purchase a software that cost a hefty money. Also if he finds that its not of his taste, simply deleting it wont make any lose to anyone, even developers.

Offtopic: without this how can i read manga & manhwa. :1ign33:

Agree. Even I use couple of applications for non professional use. Using pirated apps just for educational purpose is okay.
 
Is it theft if you pick up money laying around on the streets ?

Bottom line is .. Some of the digital stuff is priced way above normal selling price, so much so it would be considered price gouging. Price it right and people will buy, else they will pick it up off the streets.
 
I find it hilarious how people cook up stories and theories to justify Piracy.

If one wants to steal or commit a crime then he can simply do it, why try to cover it up by stupid justifications?

I also pirate certain stuff but I don't go about yapping how this is something cool.
 
@kestrel195
Totally agree with you but its not as worse as you yourself pirating something and bashing piracy in general . I see that happen lot in forums , unless 95% stuff on your PC/Laptop is legit does not make sense if that person is against piracy (only on forums :p).
 
I find it hilarious how people cook up stories and theories to justify Piracy.

If one wants to steal or commit a crime then he can simply do it, why try to cover it up by stupid justifications?

I also pirate certain stuff but I don't go about yapping how this is something cool.

Who said it's not a crime? And who yapped about it being cool? It's just associating piracy with stealing/looting that irks me out. Both are a crime, but they're not the same thing, just like murder and robbery.
 
Lol at the comments. How many of you shouting "Piracy Is bad" download episodes of Homeland, Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead etc the minute it is out on the web ? :|

Hehe the forums are filled with hypocrites like that. We've plenty on ours as well. :p
 
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