User Guides Upgrading Guide: Conroe Vs X2

With Conroe formaly Core 2 Duo out and AMD following them by reducing thier proccy prices(X2 Mainly) in counter attack move there is a big confusion in the minds of an end user on what to buy. By no means am i saying that you should follow what i am suggesting but do have a read and then follow what you feel/suits you.

No doubts that Intel has bounced back and has turned tables for AMD upside down by releaseing thier latest offereings but there is a catch in this situation. You just dont need a CPU to have a complete system. You need to feed it up with some decent RAM and a equally decent board. On top of that if you want all the high end features from a mobo and are thinking about some decent overclocking then you need to buy a High end board.

With Conroe's Indian Pricing still not out(We do have a hint that the lowest counterpart aka the 6300 would be available for approx 10K in coming weeks) and scarce availability of the mobos the situation gets different. Also the Pricing for a decent Conroe board will be approx 15K and thereabouts. Adding 2 GB of DDR2 to it will cost you anywhere between 8K to 10K. Adding it all up we arrive at a figure of about 35K.

But when we look at the AMD's offerings as of now the situation is a bit different. An AMD X2 3800 is now available for about 8.5K and a 4200 for about 12K. Adding with up with a decent mobo lets say a A8N E will cost another 5K and a 2GB of RAM as of now cost about 7.5K.If we take a 3800 into the equation the total setup will set you back by 21K. Approximately 14K difference between a Conroe and an AMD X2 setup.

But is that 14K difference really worth it. I would say somewhat "YES". Cause reports indicate that the lowest of Conroe's when overclocked performos equal to an High end AMD setup. And by high end we are taking into account an AMD FX 62.

But (Yes there is a but) what about people who are already on a 939 platform. Well for them its the worse situation. Or if they think so. If you are gamer then this situation is actually the best for you. How, Lets take an example of a person running a Venice 3000+ on an ASUS A8N E with 1 GB of RAM. Now for him a Conroe setup is about 25K(Keeping in account he will be able to get rid of his existing AMD setup for around 10+ K). Thats still a lot of money cause sometime last year for the same AMD setup one would have spent almost 20K. A 10K drop is a definate NO NO. What to do. Well just get rid fof the exisiting Proccy. You end up with a X2 3800+ dual core chip for about 6K(Keeping in mind that the venice gets sold for approx 2.5+ K or so). And by no means a 3800+ is a bad performer when it comes to gaming. Infact all the current batches of X2 3800 clocks to 2.6GHz with ease. And i am sure non of the games demands so much power. So for peeps already on Socket 939 it dosent make sense to jump on a Conroe platform.

Well now some people will come in defense of Conroe's stating the performance jump is massive from 939 to conroe's. Well think of it like this. By Jan next year Quad cores of both AMD and Intel will be available. And we all know what they will be able to do. Now if somebody who is already on a Decent Socket 939 platform jumps to an Conroe platfrom by spending 25K sees that in six months again his setup is obsolete(Remeber he spent about 20 K last year same time too). So even after spending 50K within a Year his platform is not up there(Remember i am just taking into account Mobo + CPU + RAM and 50K is a big figure for these three). So jumping from a a 939 to Conroe dosent make sense at all.

And dont get me started on peeps who are on a AMD Dual core platform as of now. For them it dosent make sense at all as they would have spent almost 40K last year for thier setup. For them to upgrade to conroe it will be another 20K. And they wont notice any major difference as i am sure most peeps on dual core would have overclocked thier rigs. For them the $$$ figure even gets bigger in six months time.

So the crux of the matter according me is :

If you are buying a newsetup... Look for a Conroe eyes closed.

If you upgrading from a Pentium D setup or a Pentium 4 Setup Conroe makes sense.

If you are jumping from Socket 939 Single core platform to Conroe then think twice. Its a tricky situation as of now. An AMD X2 is good for you. You get to keep the same Board + RAM and invest a small sum(As compared to conroe setup in full).

If you are jumping from an AMD dual core setup then either you have big pockets or you are Brain Dead(No offense).

I dont mind flames but back it up with facts. Do let me know you feedback regarding the same.
 
All this does make sense, but then remember that 939 is now dead.

People who want to upgrade to 939 - will be stuck into this and will need a change of mobo and memory real soon. so even AMD has forced most people to ugrade.

If you are jumping from Socket 939 Single core platform to Conroe then think twice. Its a tricky situation as of now. An AMD X2 is good for you. You get to keep the same Board+ RAM and invest a small sum(As compared to conroe setup in full).
The only AMD people should buy now should be AM2 ones. the 939 ones will lock you in.
 
@pastrykunal ---- You are not getting the point...... if anyone is going for a brand new setup, why AMd in the first place ??

The difference between a brand new Conroe and a brand new AM2 setup isnt much at all...... you may as well go for a Conroe/Allendale.
 
The difference between a brand new Conroe and a brand new AM2 setup isnt much at all.

Well am2 prices will be same as 939 according to amd. but AFAIK the mobos will be cheaper.

SO yes the difference will be not much. youre right.

but doesn't AMD get the price vs performance advantage with this new pricing? that is for people who are looking for a complete new system?
 
SWITCH said:
Lets take an example of a person running a Venice 3000+ on an ASUS A8N E with 1 GB of RAM.
Hehehe...
Now who would that be??:p
So that PERSON sells RAM cheap when prices are rock bottom to get UCCC!!
UCCC disappears!!:rofl:
Sells A8NE- to buy DFI later!!:)
Blows up all money from sale and more on phone bills!!:ashamed:
Now stuck with Foxconn and no RAM!!:rofl:

Great post there Switch!!:eek:hyeah: (i dropped the 'Sir'- OK!!:p )
 
pastrykunal said:
but doesn't AMD get the price vs performance advantage with this new pricing? that is for people who are looking for a complete new system?

Not really... In the low to mid end, some AMD processors are at best competitive to Intel's chips... But as soon as you reach the $300 mark, Core 2s become unbeatable on the price/performance criteria...

Core 2 motherboards are definitely going to get cheaper over time. Remember that Core 2s are not even released yet, so certainly now there are going to be too few choices. But after some time, you are going to have a lot of choices.

Also, Core 2s work well with just about any memory; while AM2s need very good DDR2s to compete even with 939s, let alone Core 2s.

And then, there is the favorite pro-AMD argument for the past 3 years: power consumption. Core 2s consume less power, so less power bills; and also run cooler. Means less cost for cooling solutions. :)

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This figure below is a good indicator of processor performance on the basis of the performance of a X2 3800+:-

 
Great guide!!! :cool2:
One more thing...AMD offers best value for non-gamers right now....
cause neither does core2 have cheap motherboards right now nor does it have any thing with onboard gfx
And a cheap X2 is much better than the PentiumDs....

P.S. can the above pic be changed to a thumbnail...
and REPPING YA :cool2:
 
mjp1618 said:
Not really... In the low to mid end, some AMD processors are at best competitive to Intel's chips... But as soon as you reach the $300 mark, Core 2s become unbeatable on the price/performance criteria...

Core 2 motherboards are definitely going to get cheaper over time. Remember that Core 2s are not even released yet, so certainly now there are going to be too few choices. But after some time, you are going to have a lot of choices.

Also, Core 2s work well with just about any memory; while AM2s need very good DDR2s to compete even with 939s, let alone Core 2s.

And then, there is the favorite pro-AMD argument for the past 3 years: power consumption. Core 2s consume less power, so less power bills; and also run cooler. Means less cost for cooling solutions. :)

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This figure below is a good indicator of processor performance on the basis of the performance of a X2 3800+:-

But this is at stock right ?
 
pastry if u go for am2 again ddr2 question arises........and also new am2 proccy......so its better u shelve ard 10k more and get c2d.......wht switch has told b4...

switch i know i willget error u must spread reps.......so not rpping u ......lol
 
i got P4 1.7, 512 ddr, normal smps.. wat should i go for now.. X2 3800 with 1 mb cache or X2 4200 with even less cache.. X2 4000 is not available but its AM2.. and C2D is yet to arrive.. wat should i buy if i have to buy within a weeks time.. budget no problem.. need is running high end softs for audio purpose and not for gamimg.. plz suggest
 
any idea when socket am2 processors will be available in India. I just a read article on Indiatimes Infotech (AMD cuts Athlon prices - Hardware - News - Tech News - Indiatimes Infotech) which suggests that the pricing of socket am2 and socket 939 processors will be the same.

See, the reason I'm asking is that radeon 9800 pro is busted and I have to put up a new config with 7600gt which will not work with a socket 754 mobo and from what i've read socket 939 is dead or will be dead pretty soon and I dont wanna get locked in with that and socket am2 is supposed to be compatible with the upcoming socket am3.

If the prices are too high tho I'll just go get a ps2, i'm sick of this pc upgradation business of every 2 years anyway
 
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