ashish
Adept
Zero power not hibernation.
Seagate Backup Plus External Not Getting Detected - Help!
- Thread starter Black_Hawk
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Both normal shutdown & hibernation are zero power but windows 10/11 make it difficult by default to see hibernation option & promote sleep instead which is not zero power.
OT: this is called Angular momentum. Fun to experiment with
Last I checked, branded external hard disks can't be read by PC when connected to mobo directly - they had to be re-formatted first, leading to loss of data.
Same when connecting an internal drive to the branded external enclosure: it wouldn't read without formatting first. Why they did this is beyond me
What internal interface do WD drives have?
Hibernation consumes zero power. As I stated before, repeated power ups wears out the drive more than constant running. So if you have a UPS, let the PC shutdown x minutes after power loss instead of going to hybrid sleep every so often
If you don't have a UPS, get a UPS. Sudden power loss can kill more than just your data
Which exact model hdd you tried? This can happen if you use of of those "password protection" tool or the hdd comes with "built in/hardware based password protection".
Can't remember the exact models, but I tried with both Seagate & WD, whenever an external HDD failed.
Was it using a password by default? I certainly did not set one
Also I put one of my confirmed good internal HDD into the enclosure and it wanted to be formatted first before usage
Black_Hawk
Skilled
So, I also have this Seagate Backup Plus Hub 4 TB External drive:
Seagate Backup Plus Hub 4 TB External HDD
I bought it in January' 2021 and it came with 3 Year Warranty so warranty period is over. Drive is working fine but I was wondering should I shuck the unit and use the HDD inside now as an internal drive? This way it will get better cooling inside my NAS case which will be better for the HDD (it will run cooler) going forward instead of keeping it stuck inside that default plastic case.
I plan to follow this process:
I have shucked External drives before so I should be ok doing it.
Seagate Backup Plus Hub 4 TB External HDD
I bought it in January' 2021 and it came with 3 Year Warranty so warranty period is over. Drive is working fine but I was wondering should I shuck the unit and use the HDD inside now as an internal drive? This way it will get better cooling inside my NAS case which will be better for the HDD (it will run cooler) going forward instead of keeping it stuck inside that default plastic case.
I plan to follow this process:
I have shucked External drives before so I should be ok doing it.
If the driver advertise "hardware encryption" / "built-in password" feature then it is using a password by default except that password is basically empty/transparent so acts like no password.
ashish
Adept
I have disabled hibernation by default so its just a sleep mode.
Yeah
Didnt have issues with mine, cant recall if Seagate or WD. In some cases, the pin needs to be taped off.
WD USB powered cant be seperated from HDD - rest all can and have the SATA port exposed.
+1, spinup/spindown is another, especially if done frequently.
badwhitevision
Disciple
Toshiba also is similar to WD.
Only Seagate has a separate board for the SATA - USB interface, meaning you can shuck the drive.
Black_Hawk
Skilled
I'm still contemplating if I should shuck my Seagate 4TB Backup Plus Hub. Shuck it and slap the HDD into my NAS, think that'll be better in the long run as well.
Performance wise it will make no difference & might even be a bit less as usb port can't match the sata port in terms of stability/speeds so it kinds of act as a limiter to reduce unnecessary stress on such SMR low rpm hdd. Only benefit would be reduced temps assuming better cooling inside nas.
If this is the same drive which you are facing issues with - please go ahead and do if the warranty is not void.
If some other drive - If the usage is low then it would not be of much use. If high usage then, yes. Sometimes you may need to tape pin 3 (or correct pin) to make it work
This only applies to 3.5" large capacity (8-10TB & above) enterprise drives in external drive models which is not the case here.
Just gave all possible inputs in a single post, thanks. I assumed if it did not spin up, this could be an issue
It is completely luck, there are ppl who have similar experience with WD drives.
Why is that so?
What are your views about external ssds? Since they are very costly, so instead of an internal hard drive in an enclosure, what about a 2.5" sata ssd or a nvme ssd in an enclosure? Is anyone using ssd's like this? Do they outlive the external hdd's?
+ @guest_999
@Black_Hawk What did you finally do?
Everything depends on your luck, the only consistent fact is this: If you don't have backup of your important data in at least two different drives then you are only relying on your luck. Also, NVMe ssd in a typical fanless external enclosure will get heated soon enough if transferring at speeds of more than 500-600MB/s for more than 1-2 minutes & will get throttled.
nRiTeCh
Skilled
External SSDs are fine as they have lower chances of failure against HDDS and so are nvme's..