Demonetisation and its Aftermath

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Every democratic govt out there secretly (or not so secretly) dreams about becoming a dictatorship. The people ultimately hold the power in a democracy and it is their support that lends power to the govt and when too much of it is given, people will at some point lose control. When people stop treating the public servants as such and start idolizing them and acting like their tools, the servants change into full time masters. It is every citizens right and duty to be critical of their govt's actions and it is not necessary to patronize the govt for doing its duty. When you hire a servant, you do not praise them for doing the work they are paid for, but you would chide them when they break your stuff or make a mess. This does not mean that you have to be disrespectful, but you don't try to cover up their mistakes with silly excuses either.

Every dictatorship in history got created when people gave too much power to a person/govt and not bothered what those people were doing. As aptly stated, Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If people don't cease this idiotic and slavish mentality of being rabid fans of this or that political party and/or leader, it won't take long for this country to turn into something much worse than North Korea. For the record, North Korea aka Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is also a democracy and people should know what kind of a democracy it is and how the "elections" are conducted there. We are already nearly there as far as elections goes. If the present govt gets control of the supreme court as well (for which they are trying very hard), what's going to stop them anymore? Even if they don't abolish democracy altogether, I no longer see a prospect of fair elections in another 1-2 years. In Telangana itself, after the TRS came into power, the first order of business for KCR was to get the entire police system into his pockets by giving them lavish salary hikes, perks and what not. Because of that, he has near dictatorial control in many places in the state and in subsequent smaller scale elections, apparently, in some of these places, the police themselves stood near booths and forced people to vote for TRS candidates. Elections are now rendered useless in many parts of the state. His strategy was different, but there is nothing stopping something like that from being done on a larger scale by the central govt.

In this whole fiasco of demonetization, the govt has been changing tune everyday. fake currency claim was dispelled quickly as it didn't take even a week for fake notes to come into the market due to absence of any fresh security measures. The black money eradication claim doesn't even make sense as they made every effort to ensure that the black money hoards of their near and dear are not affected. There is no doubt that removing high denomination notes is a correct direction for stopping hoarding, but nothing else about the implementation suggests that it has anything to do with stopping blank money. The Rs 2000 note should never have existed and in addition it also looks like certain people had access to this new currency even before it reached the banks and not only that they had access to it before the announcement. How did these people get access to 10's or 100's of crores of Rs 2000 notes. No single bank gets that much money. A moderate size HDFC bank branch was being supplied with 8~10 Lac in Rs 2000 notes each day when the supply was good.
 
It is also amusing and at the same time irritating to look at the antics of these BJP fans and others at my work who still hailing this as a move for the "greater good" in the fight against corruption. While I have heard about some people at my work who apparently exchanged their "extra cash" during the night while posting to whatsapp on how great this move against corruption is and dissing at people standing in lines for loosing patience, that knowledge is second hand. But what I have been seeing first hand is people that have been (and still) praising this as a great thing and giving their full social media support for ending black money now busy preparing fake income tax proofs to evade taxes. They claim 40~50k per month as rent, 15k in fake medical expenditure, fake donation certificates they don't even show their income from interest or other sources. But they don't consider this as black money and they don't even see anything wrong with what they are doing. Some years back, an avid AAP fan who got semi rude with me for that joining their anti-corruption march got busy preparing his fake tax documents 10 min later and got irritated when I casually confronted him about what he was doing. He insisted that its merely tax saving when he does it, but corruption when a political leader or big business man does it.[DOUBLEPOST=1481741317][/DOUBLEPOST]This is too damn funny..

From Times of India

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Lord Nemesis seems to know a lot about how Dictators emerge?

For the past 60 years how many years have we suffered emergency and war?

There are countries and even continents engulfed in continous war either based on ethinic cleansing, religion, precious metals etc

Feel that we are lucky, that we are able to sleep happily, that our borders are guarded by men who are patriots.

Stay in the high altitude border areas for 1 day, you will not critisize them or our present govt buddy.

Just for demonetisation everybody are feeling like they are robbed by the govt.

It is for the greater good. There might be still better measures that will be taken by the present govt.
 
Lord Nemesis seems to know a lot about how Dictators emerge?

For the past 60 years how many years have we suffered emergency and war?

There are countries and even continents engulfed in continous war either based on ethinic cleansing, religion, precious metals etc

Feel that we are lucky, that we are able to sleep happily, that our borders are guarded by men who are patriots.

Stay in the high altitude border areas for 1 day, you will not critisize them or our present govt buddy.

Just for demonetisation everybody are feeling like they are robbed by the govt.

It is for the greater good. There might be still better measures that will be taken by the present govt.
What does the army have to do with the government's decision on demonetisation? Is there a specific reason that you had to bring in a reference to the army in your post?
No one is doubting the patriotism of the army. People are voicing their opinion against the implementation of the demonetisation scheme. When did they say anything about the army?
 
It is also amusing and at the same time irritating to look at the antics of these BJP fans and others at my work who still hailing this as a move for the "greater good" in the fight against corruption. While I have heard about some people at my work who apparently exchanged their "extra cash" during the night while posting to whatsapp on how great this move against corruption is and dissing at people standing in lines for loosing patience, that knowledge is second hand. But what I have been seeing first hand is people that have been (and still) praising this as a great thing and giving their full social media support for ending black money now busy preparing fake income tax proofs to evade taxes. They claim 40~50k per month as rent, 15k in fake medical expenditure, fake donation certificates they don't even show their income from interest or other sources. But they don't consider this as black money and they don't even see anything wrong with what they are doing. Some years back, an avid AAP fan who got semi rude with me for that joining their anti-corruption march got busy preparing his fake tax documents 10 min later and got irritated when I casually confronted him about what he was doing. He insisted that its merely tax saving when he does it, but corruption when a political leader or big business man does it.[DOUBLEPOST=1481741317][/DOUBLEPOST]This is too damn funny..

From Times of India

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The cartoon is hilarious!
 
What does the army have to do with the government's decision on demonetisation? Is there a specific reason that you had to bring in a reference to the army in your post?
No one is doubting the patriotism of the army. People are voicing their opinion against the implementation of the demonetisation scheme. When did they say anything about the army?
You are doubting the patriotism of the Modi Cabinet decisions whether it is demonetisation or surgical strikes.

If anybody doubts or says that demonetisation is not a better decision then surgical strikes is also not a good decision.

Opposition should be like a healthy one.
It still doubts and needs calirification on surgical strikes and it says all the measures by BJP and its allies are a failure.

Yess, KCR led the party in Telangana and now the people of that region are of the opinion that the present party should be given some more time so that development takes place. Change needs some time right.

Same is the issue with Modi measures,
He should be given some time if everybody believes him as that is what is given this time in this election.

So we voted and elected him right.
If he is not doing right things then it is us to blame not him.

Let us give him some time to prove himself.
 
What does the army have to do with the government's decision on demonetisation? Is there a specific reason that you had to bring in a reference to the army in your post?
No one is doubting the patriotism of the army. People are voicing their opinion against the implementation of the demonetisation scheme. When did they say anything about the army?
They & their bhakts are so dim-witted & thinks all people are the same. They don't have anything more to add to the argument. Soldier bol diya na argument khatam.
 
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You are doubting the patriotism of the Modi Cabinet decisions whether it is demonetisation or surgical strikes.

If anybody doubts or says that demonetisation is not a better decision then surgical strikes is also not a good decision.

Opposition should be like a healthy one.
It still doubts and needs calirification on surgical strikes and it says all the measures by BJP and its allies are a failure.

Yess, KCR led the party in Telangana and now the people of that region are of the opinion that the present party should be given some more time so that development takes place. Change needs some time right.

Same is the issue with Modi measures,
He should be given some time if everybody believes him as that is what is given this time in this election.

So we voted and elected him right.
If he is not doing right things then it is us to blame not him.

Let us give him some time to prove himself.
Please read my post again. I am criticising the way demonetisation was carried out. I am not criticising demonetisation.

Those who did not vote for Modi, whom should they blame?

We are giving real time feedback to Modi whenever we feel that something is not right. I think that is serving the government much better than if we stay silent for 50 days and only then say what is/was wrong. Government is taking a lot of feedback and changing their schemes as and when required.
 
You are doubting the patriotism of the Modi Cabinet decisions whether it is demonetisation or surgical strikes.
How exactly is questioning a decision equal to questioning their patriotism?
When the 2G scam, Coal mining scam etc happened during the tenure of the previous government, were the people labeled as anti-nationals/un patriotic when they questioned the government's decision?
A.Raja was a cabinet minister. So decisions that he took are equal to governmental decisions. It is not as if Modi consulted the parliament and then approved the decision on demonetization. He told his cabinet what he wanted to do and then did it. He did not wait for approval from anyone.

If anybody doubts or says that demonetisation is not a better decision then surgical strikes is also not a good decision.

Opposition should be like a healthy one.
It still doubts and needs calirification on surgical strikes and it says all the measures by BJP and its allies are a failure.
Again I don't understand what is the logic behind comparing demonetisation and surgical strikes. Why does everything have to be "My way or the highway" ?

In school/college, did you never ask your teachers why they deducted some marks? Were you questioning their ability of being a teacher? Or were you trying to understand from their viewpoint why they did whatever they did?
 
Corrupt people did not get affected by this demonetization BS at all. They in fact got their work done smoothly. But still who suffers the most these law abiding citizens.
Itna hi desh bhakti hai na to sare party ka kala dhan chup chap declare kyoun nahi karte yeh sab log?Why don't they read the names of the people who have tons of black money in swiss & german banks?

Also yes I agree these idiots labels anyone who says against them as deshdrohi!! When the real fact is that they are the real deshdrohis. Even modi himself said in an interview that every citizen even a child has right to question the authority. Then what happened to that?
 
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BJP is a cry baby party. All these 40+ years they were fighting in Parliament against Congress and doing walk outs and jumping in the well of the house and basically destroying Parliament proceedings. Now when the tables have turned, anything said against their style of functioning is anti India or anti-something and their people whine about not giving them time. Suddenly, they want Parliament to function normally. Modi who was criticizing Manmohan for not talking in Parliament is not to be seen anywhere. Always on tour giving some speech or somewhere in hiding.
 
I suppose who are actually not supporting BJP are those who might have at sometime harmed by its principles and policies.

What have not BJP done in the last 40 years. It remained as a good opposition.

Talking about swiss or german bank accounts, its the respective banks policy not to reveal their customers details. That is why they have existed for so long inspite of international pressure.

Not even the big super powers are successful in scraching the surface of such issue let alone India.

Such exposure of money laundering needs international cooperation.

Before 2001 there was no cooperation between different agencies regarding safety and security of respective regions.

Now that has changed. That means in order to achieve anything that is across the border or not under our jurisdiction, we need international concentrated cooperation.

Regarding taking the opinion of the parliament in certain decisions that might improve our way of life is not required at all.

Take for example during Kongress rule, Communists always opposed the Civil Nuclear Deal with US & certain other countries.

Why are they not supporting is their problem but here as a result that nuclear deal wasnt successful.

If Kongress has full majority I suppose it would have succeded with just its cabinet approval right.

Such time is now available with B J P.
 
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I suppose who are actually not supporting BJP are those who might have at sometime harmed by its principles and policies.

What have not BJP done in the last 40 years. It remained as a good opposition.
I live in a state where BJP is at the bottom of the chain. So rest assured, their policies have not affected me (yet). If you look at the last 5 years of Congress govt, you will realise whether BJP had been a good opposition or not. They disrupted the proceedings of the parliament regularly. Now others are paying them back in the same coin.


Regarding taking the opinion of the parliament in certain decisions that might improve our way of life is not required at all.
Do you realise that this statement is a justification for @Lord Nemesis saying that the current government is tending to a dictatorship?
Just because people have voted you to power does not mean that you can take all decisions unilaterally. People can have a different PoV. They may have strong reasons for having that kind of Point of View. If you never listen to other people, how will you learn and grow?

Take for example during Kongress rule, Communists always opposed the Civil Nuclear Deal with US & certain other countries.

Why are they not supporting is their problem but here as a result that nuclear deal wasnt successful.

If Kongress has full majority I suppose it would have succeded with just its cabinet approval right.

Such time is now available with B J P.
Why do you think that it is their problem? Only politicians in the ruling party can be patriotic? Politicians from opposition parties cannot be patriotic? Maybe they felt that India can lose their sovereignty if they signed the treaty with the US.
Did you even consider their viewpoint? Or you dismissed their point just because they are from opposing party?
 
Communism is now where else existing even its birth place.

But our communists talk about rules and equality where if you get to know about their bank balances and property records, you will change your perspective about them.

Why did the indian public voted for 1 party and gave it full majority.

That means those who voted for them are all fools.

Come on boys, think positively.

Lets not criticise for the sake of criticising.

Let us be rational...
 
I don't want to argue like this. I just want to say that there was a news few weeks back a certain german bank did disclosed the names of some people who had huge sums of black money in that bank. 2-3 of them were Indians. The names were sent to the indian govt too but they didn't opened the envelope. why?
Also history says many countries have successfully made these banks to disclose the names of the suspects involved. If modi is sooooo intelligent & soo wiiiiiiseee then during his visits to all these countries & getting so many compliments couldn't he come up with a plan to get these black money out as he had promised before elections?
Instead he went on to trouble the common people of his own country. This party wasted 100s of crores in advertising campaign.
BC property ke rates dekho leave rates sala rent ka rates dekho bc g@$% log hai yeh. How common people will survive will so less salary & high rates. fckd up din aye hai.
 
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Kindly provide some links as where in which media have been published that those banks have sent our govt an envelope regarding black money.

Buddy not even US or Russia are able to make Swiss banks to disclose their customers details.

I am hearing for the 1st time about German banks used for stashing black money or for money laundering purposes.

Germany & Japan are under UN sanctions for 100 years since 2nd world war.
 
Money laundering has been going on using hawala system since ages.

I mean since middle ages.

Even UK has strict policies but in order to encourage people to part with their undisclosed assets, many countries introduced several schemes like Investers are given permanent resident VISA and such.

This is the newest procedure introduced by several countries who are members of UN.
 
Even people can invest in such countries stock markets or buy bonds even though they are not of that country.

Such people are given some incentives.

So, such procedures and incentives should be introduced in India as well to encourage the investment from black money hoarders.

Less paper work & taxes leads to more investment.
Which is what is going around the world.
 
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