Indian Faces 11 Yrs Jail For ‘Brazen’ Sexual Assault on US Flight

Where do such specimens drop onto the earth from?

Depends on whether you want to believe they are human or demon. In which case, Lanka would seem the closest bet /s

At least I know what the Porn Ban committee will be saying - because of watching 'Brazzers' this has happened and we should ban all forms of porn.
 
Open and shut case of profiling. First plaintiff to sue the airline with such a policy stands to win big :D
Its definitely profiling. Its not as if american courts are bastions of Justice. They routinely let white people walk away with no jailtime even with rape conviction whereas they give this guy 11years. Brock turner, affluenza teen case come on top of my mind. whereas they jail black people for decades for catching them with few grams of weed.
Indian men have a history of such misadventures on board fights. It is more than just a one off incident and that image got created for a reason. There is no smoke without fire. Excessive flirting, groping, drunken fits etc. Many of these Indian men apparently seem to view foreign women as having loose morality and try their luck. It is a justification used often.

This was a big problem even when private airline industry picked up in India with female crew being made target of harassment and misbehavior.

And no, the general image about Indian men being linked to harassment and rapes has nothing to do with the Nirbhaya rape incident either. That incident only reinforced the fact that there will be nothing much done to discourage and punish it in this country. Even back in 2004, when I started working, american women traveling to India and particularly to Delhi got travel advisories about molestation and rape in the country. Even back then, there were numerous incidents of foreign women being threatened and raped and dumped on the way from airport by taxi drivers. This is one of the prime reasons that even back in those days, there was a system of airport police noting down passenger details along with the prepaid cab details. Much of the incidents were suppressed from main stream media to protect the "image" of the country, but these happened on a regular basis, foreign women being raped by taxi drivers, in hotels and in the places where they stayed. There was one horrible case where a foreign tourist was gang raped by some people and when she approached the police, she was gang raped twice by the police.

Even the track record of child rape within the country is crazy. Just the reported cases are over 36000 per year and growing. That's nearly 100 child rapes per day and the the official report rate is likely less than 1% just like with normal rape in general. Raping or molesting children and babies as young as 3-6 months is not a common crime in other countries and even when they do happen, they are not taken so trivially as in India. So yeah, I cannot blame them for treating all Indian men with suspicion.
You have to take into account our massive population before stereotyping all men. We are 4 times the population of USA. Im sure men from USA wont appreciate being called pedophiles since child marriages are popular down south of USA. Hell, even many states have laws with exceptions which allow child marriages
Between 2000 and 2015, over 200,000 minors were legally married in the United States.[2] The vast majority of child marriages were between a child and an adult.[3][2] The majority of married children were girls.[2]

As of October 2018, 48 out of 50 U.S. states have exceptions in their laws which allow children to marry (In 2018, Delaware[4] and New Jersey[5] became the first two states to completely ban child marriage). Of the 48 states which allow child marriage, 18 have no minimum age for minors to marry, under certain conditions[6][7], while 32 have a minimum age (ranging from 14 to 17). In addition, the District of Columbia and several US territories (such as Puerto Rico) allow children to marry.[8]
 
Rape report rates in India is estimated to be less than 1% based a report I had seen a few years back and even as per a report by NFHS which was published this year, the report rate is estimated to be mere 0.9% of actual. 25% is a very big percentage of report rate you are assuming for a country like India.

Even in developed countries, the report rates are estimated to be in the mere 40-60% range. India will easily out number every other country in the world if you adjust for it. Given that the reported rapes are 1.2 lac/ year, even a conservative estimate of actual would outnumber the estimates for every other country. Also, it should not be forgotten that India has a very very narrow definition of rape unlike other countries where a lot of things get counted as rape. For example, marital rape is not considered rape in India while it is in many other countries. This would be a fairly high number in both India and other countries. Similarly, the actions of the guy in this news does not constitute rape in India, but it does count as rape in many other countries.

There are also way too many hurdles created for reporting at all levels starting from rampart victim shaming to khap Panchayat's acting as the law in many villages. victims and their families are subjected to social boycott if they report a rape. There was one case where a rape victim was ordered by Khap Panchayat to commit suicide for getting raped failing which the family would be subjected to boycott and persecution while the rapist was left alone. Even after it hit the news papers, nothing ever was done. Even when cases do end up going to courts, there were numerous instances when a rape victim was pressured to marry her rapist by the judges themselves. The conviction rate is way too low. There was one case, where a 70 year old man was asked to pay a penalty of Rs 500 for molesting his 10 year old grand daughter. There are entire villages in Rajasthan where girls are not allowed to be born and they pay to have underage girls kidnapped from other states for them to buy as wives (read as slaves and sex slaves). The situation in cities is not significantly better. People here love to follow culture and traditions and it requires women to be treated as objects.

These problems have nothing to do with the population itself. The problem in India is more cultural and attitude related. India is a country of complete moral and ethical bankruptcy. People are breeding in a environment where these sort things are actively and passively encouraged. The law which should flex its muscle to change things is either helpless or becomes part of the problem, the law makers have no interest and kangaroo courts rain supreme. What else can you expect?
 
Again you're repeating yourself, if you dig enough into any country you'll find gruesome incidents that will be unheard of in your own country. It's the view that we are the only ones with problems that is a product of consuming MSM narratives blindly without thinking. Covering up heinous crimes by media owned by corporate interests has nothing to do with protecting the country's image, it's about keeping the ruling political party owned by said corporate interests in power by covering up their failures.

Developed countries have already been shaped to be sexually liberal so they have plenty of outlets to vent their sexual frustration, there are many countries where the age of consent is under 13, they built the apps for hooking up with strangers like Tinder and Grindr, they ran sites like Ashley Madison where married people can cheat, Pornography is the most demeaning thing ever and it didn't come out of India afaik, most of the pornstars are white and the studios are based in developed countries, it is the ultimate source of objectifying women that started with magazines like Playboy, it results in other levels of sexual degeneracy (2girls1cup, bukkake, bdsm, swingers, etc) and in the sale of insecurity based products like penis pumps, cock rings and fleshlights, let's not forget the number of white people that have died due to auto-erotic asphyxiation in Thailand. These sexual liberal societies come with problems of their own if you find them morally acceptable, it leads to other social problems for them like adultery and higher divorce rates, a higher number of sexual predators as well as things like cougars and sugar daddies.

Women being objectified is not exclusive only to Indians nor is slavery and human trafficking, just look at the brothels in Amsterdam, prostitutes are decked up behind glass panes like in a showroom or look up the number of cases where women/sex slaves died of suffocation while being transported in containers in developed countries.
As for our moral and cultural bankruptcy, that topic is more complex than can be explained in a forum post. How we went from building temples to millions of goddesses to shoving rods up women's privates is actually an effect of centuries of social destruction that is still taking place.

Foreign media and technology continues to play a big role in promoting degeneracy, just watch any foreign tv show or movie, it almost seems like the language and content keeps getting more lewd every year and is blindly accepted as progression and freedom of expression.
Just look at Bhojpuri films itself, the amount of sexual innuendo and suggestive dialogues, songs and themes in their movies is unreal, combining that with easy access to pornographic content for a sexually deprived collective of 25 year old illiterate virgins who don't know any better is a sureshot recipe for disaster.

Also stop taking any data released by government agencies or media houses with strong ties to political parties seriously. Government is not your friend and nor are any of its agencies, if they can lie about GDP growth and unemployment numbers they can push any narrative for any ulterior motive. I'm not in denial of the scale of problems faced by women in our country but other countries have different and unique problems of their own, it's just that India is easier to sh*t on.
Livemint is a part of HT media, HT media is chaired by a congress affiliated person, you should've realized by now any media house with strong ties to any political party has their own agenda and anything that they post should be viewed with skepticism even if it's the truth.

P.S. Just remembered about this show, they used to bait predators online and bust them on tv, featured a couple of Indians and Bangladeshis as well, another lesson to not believe anything in the media, could be part of an agenda.

 
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Btw saw a recent statistics data and US is global leader in no of rape cases and India is somewhere at spot 8.
Also, many fake cases are registered in India, blame it to our media. This was what written on that page + more.
Will try to get its link and share.
 
Rape report rates in India is estimated to be less than 1% based a report I had seen a few years back and even as per a report by NFHS which was published this year, the report rate is estimated to be mere 0.9% of actual. 25% is a very big percentage of report rate you are assuming for a country like India.

Even in developed countries, the report rates are estimated to be in the mere 40-60% range. India will easily out number every other country in the world if you adjust for it. Given that the reported rapes are 1.2 lac/ year, even a conservative estimate of actual would outnumber the estimates for every other country. Also, it should not be forgotten that India has a very very narrow definition of rape unlike other countries where a lot of things get counted as rape. For example, marital rape is not considered rape in India while it is in many other countries. This would be a fairly high number in both India and other countries. Similarly, the actions of the guy in this news does not constitute rape in India, but it does count as rape in many other countries.

There are also way too many hurdles created for reporting at all levels starting from rampart victim shaming to khap Panchayat's acting as the law in many villages. victims and their families are subjected to social boycott if they report a rape. There was one case where a rape victim was ordered by Khap Panchayat to commit suicide for getting raped failing which the family would be subjected to boycott and persecution while the rapist was left alone. Even after it hit the news papers, nothing ever was done. Even when cases do end up going to courts, there were numerous instances when a rape victim was pressured to marry her rapist by the judges themselves. The conviction rate is way too low. There was one case, where a 70 year old man was asked to pay a penalty of Rs 500 for molesting his 10 year old grand daughter. There are entire villages in Rajasthan where girls are not allowed to be born and they pay to have underage girls kidnapped from other states for them to buy as wives (read as slaves and sex slaves). The situation in cities is not significantly better. People here love to follow culture and traditions and it requires women to be treated as objects.

These problems have nothing to do with the population itself. The problem in India is more cultural and attitude related. India is a country of complete moral and ethical bankruptcy. People are breeding in a environment where these sort things are actively and passively encouraged. The law which should flex its muscle to change things is either helpless or becomes part of the problem, the law makers have no interest and kangaroo courts rain supreme. What else can you expect?
If you go by the foreign media reports, especially BBC, you'll feel like every man in india just randomly spots a woman and rapes her then and there and no one says a word. If we indians are rapists as these people say, tell me how many rapists you know personally in real life? your neighbors? relatives? your friends?
 
Rape report rates in India is estimated to be less than 1% based a report I had seen a few years back and even as per a report by NFHS which was published this year, the report rate is estimated to be mere 0.9% of actual. 25% is a very big percentage of report rate you are assuming for a country like India.

Even in developed countries, the report rates are estimated to be in the mere 40-60% range. India will easily out number every other country in the world if you adjust for it. Given that the reported rapes are 1.2 lac/ year, even a conservative estimate of actual would outnumber the estimates for every other country. Also, it should not be forgotten that India has a very very narrow definition of rape unlike other countries where a lot of things get counted as rape. For example, marital rape is not considered rape in India while it is in many other countries. This would be a fairly high number in both India and other countries. Similarly, the actions of the guy in this news does not constitute rape in India, but it does count as rape in many other countries.

There are also way too many hurdles created for reporting at all levels starting from rampart victim shaming to khap Panchayat's acting as the law in many villages. victims and their families are subjected to social boycott if they report a rape. There was one case where a rape victim was ordered by Khap Panchayat to commit suicide for getting raped failing which the family would be subjected to boycott and persecution while the rapist was left alone. Even after it hit the news papers, nothing ever was done. Even when cases do end up going to courts, there were numerous instances when a rape victim was pressured to marry her rapist by the judges themselves. The conviction rate is way too low. There was one case, where a 70 year old man was asked to pay a penalty of Rs 500 for molesting his 10 year old grand daughter. There are entire villages in Rajasthan where girls are not allowed to be born and they pay to have underage girls kidnapped from other states for them to buy as wives (read as slaves and sex slaves). The situation in cities is not significantly better. People here love to follow culture and traditions and it requires women to be treated as objects.

These problems have nothing to do with the population itself. The problem in India is more cultural and attitude related. India is a country of complete moral and ethical bankruptcy. People are breeding in a environment where these sort things are actively and passively encouraged. The law which should flex its muscle to change things is either helpless or becomes part of the problem, the law makers have no interest and kangaroo courts rain supreme. What else can you expect?

This was my point exactly, reporting in india would be under 1% at best, whereas in other countries itself is less than 10%.

I said per capita, even if you quadruple that number, we're still better off than most countries.

Read your own link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#India "India ranked 94th in a statistics of reported rape cases in 2010.[141] In 2015, More than 34,000 cases of rape reported. However, many cases related to rape crimes go unreported due to culture and safety of victims.[142]"

Btw saw a recent statistics data and US is global leader in no of rape cases and India is somewhere at spot 8.
Also, many fake cases are registered in India, blame it to our media. This was what written on that page + more.
Will try to get its link and share.

Of course, because reporting rates are way higher in the US. Ditto conviction rates.
 
This was my point exactly, reporting in india would be under 1% at best, whereas in other countries itself is less than 10%.

This was my point exactly, you're pulling numbers out of your ass. Less than 1% !?! Lmao men too would have to stay indoors after sundown.
 
You have got to be delusional if you believe Indian sexual assault statistics are lower than other countries, especially considering how under-reported they are here.
Frequency of reporting such cases has definitely risen. No longer a taboo subject. People misleadingly use the increased coverage to draw other conclusions and advocate agendas
 
Its definitely profiling. Its not as if american courts are bastions of Justice. They routinely let white people walk away with no jailtime even with rape conviction whereas they give this guy 11years. Brock turner, affluenza teen case come on top of my mind. whereas they jail black people for decades for catching them with few grams of weed.
So the rich or lets say more financially able get away with it. They say the same thing about India as well.

The argument behind such sentences is it should act as a deterrent.

I've mixed views about that but if we see the sentences handed out they will be harder on those that are less financially able.
 
FYI, this is a large scale survey coordinated and supervised by the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, Govt of India. If anything, I would have reason to believe that that the real numbers maybe worse than presented and if there is anything for me to doubt, its just that the report rate is actually higher than what I expected it to be based on other previous reports that I saw. In any case, I would take the NFHS data over your opinion any day on account of your opinion not having any credibility at all.

As I said before, even the best countries have report rates of 40-60% and most don't even have that. India doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell of having report rates higher than 1%. It simply is not possible with the extent to which hurdles are created for that.
 
This was my point exactly, reporting in india would be under 1% at best

You can even see the reason for the low report rates right here in action. Rape apologists are everywhere in this country. I have even encountered a bloke on a different platform who was arguing that rape victims are dragging the "honor" of the country on to the streets by reporting rapes and causing controversies which are picked up by foreign media. They would like nothing better than for the victims to just shut up and put up if only to maintain better rape statistics than other countries.
 
Not just the apologists, also the self-proclaimed 'positive thinkers' who refuse to see people shitting on the street outside their own homes, yet only see bullet trains and hyperloops which are still in fantasy stages. They can't bear to hear the truth and reality about the crap state of the country because they don't realise that first talking about it is the first step to correcting and improving. Pretending problems don't exist doesn't make them disappear no matter how much they want to believe it.
 
@Lord Nemesis Wow that's quite a stretch accusing people of being rape apologists.

No one's being a rape apologist here but it's the constant India bashing without trying to understand the root cause of the problems and generalizing people as morally bankrupt without making an objective assessment that is turning this section into the same pseudo-intellectual India-bashing circlejerk populated by educated illiterates like r/India.
Stop pretending that other countries are perfect and devoid of any moral or socio-economic problems for starters, you didn't even acknowledge the valid points I raised about sexually liberal countries and their own set of problems.
It's just that you're ignorant of their problems by choice because sitting in front of the monitor and browsing livemint, qz, quint, thewire, firstpost and these other media outlets with their own agendas has molded your perception, most of your bigoted posts come across as highly obsessive only of this country's problems, yet you never try to figure out or discuss the root causes that have led it to its current state.

You accuse and discredit obviously biased news channels of being pro-government but then go on and cite sources from media houses headed by people openly affiliated to other political parties as if it's the truth. You constantly bash the government and its various bodies on this forum for being incompetent and falsifying data for a variety of reasons then go and blindly believe data from one that could be equally incompetent, just because it fits your current argument and because you cannot truly comprehend what's actually happening in this country.

It's just your claim that reported cases don't even make less than 1% of the total number of cases that seemed unrealistic and implausible, you actually believe that this is a country with 34,00,000 annual cases of sexual assault ? If that number was indeed true then each metro would at least have 20-30,000 reported cases annually which might have gone noticed by at least one honest and concerned official who would have at least raised an alarm don't you think ?
Yet you take the data at face value of a survey supervised by the Ministry of Health & Welfare lol, let me remind you this ministry is also in charge of carrying out immunization drives yet they allowed the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to carry out illegal clinical trials of vaccines, they are responsible for prevention of vector borne diseases yet more people keep dying of dengue and chikungunya after every monsoon, let's not forget the diabetes epidemic and cardiovascular diseases that this ministry has done nothing to increase the awareness of, health insurance companies are in bed with private hospitals and healthcare costs are skyrocketing but nothing has been done, doctors keep handing out antibiotics like candy and keep getting kickbacks from big pharma for prescribing their expensive meds but none of these points are ever raised by any official but this same incompetent ministry gains instant credibility after supervising a survey including only 79,000 women ? So from just surveying less than 1% of the population of women in this country they arrived at the conclusion that 99% of cases go unreported ?
Sorry I wasn't aware that being highly skeptical of reports posted by a constantly lying government and media makes one a rape apologist.

India is a third world corrupt and impoverished sh*thole no doubt but it has been forced into this state by design that people like you fail to comprehend, in fact it's a slave colony and most people don't even understand how because they've lived in it since birth.
You yourself don't understand that the financial system installed in place is nothing but an elaborate and carefully designed scam, you cannot even begin to comprehend the scale of it all going by the fact that you actually invest in mutual funds (Mutual Funds sahi hai lmao) and stocks, that alone says it all how deeply entrenched and asleep you are because you've been duped into believing in their legitimacy.
Part of the deception is that this prison is so old they don't even need to hide it anymore because the indoctrination is already complete, go look at the logo of AMFI itself, If you go in deep enough and read how it all functions you'll hopefully realize it's all an elaborate pyramid scheme designed to move and concentrate wealth to the top.
Just because something is legitimized by the government doesn't mean it deserves to exist in the first place, have you ever considered the fact that the government itself is a sham or how the stock markets or the current fractional reserve banking debt enslavement system came into being or what bonds, ETF's ,derivatives, etc ACTUALLY are ?
Let's take taxation as an example which you've often defended on this forum, taxation in its present form is theft, end of story.
The governments job is to only rip people off on every single level without providing anything in return while duping people into believing they're on their way to become a superpower while the money gets siphoned off elsewhere, all the while blaming ever increasing costs on inflation, recession, global contagion, current account deficits or some other BS reasons that they can push on the uninformed gullible sheep.

You may or may not understand any of it but people are slowly waking up to the fact that government is not your friend and there is a hidden ruling class which at this point should be quite obvious if only people were put their phones away and stop binge watching garbage or sh*tflix, what do you think the current yellow vest protests are all about ? people are fed up of taxes and the distractions aren't as effective anymore.

Now why would a government body or media outlet report or highlight incorrect information ? If you cannot understand the enslavement tools of the global financial system you sure as hell won't be able to answer that question either. You're so smart after all, go figure it out.

Just stop repeating what you read online without thinking, going by the same media outlets and honest government reports one must also believe that India's GDP was at 8.2% in the last quarter, that Raghuram Rajan is some sort of genius economist outsider who accurately predicted the 2008 sub-prime crisis, that Modi is some illiterate tea seller who rose to the top by magic or by riding the Hindu nationalist wave, that Moody's AAA rating for India means something and that India's ease of doing business rank means anything except for being campaign bullet points for the next general election.
 
@Lord Nemesis ...without trying to understand the root cause of the problems and generalizing people as morally bankrupt...

Haha, the root cause of the problem IS that people are morally bankrupt! They wouldn't rape someone otherwise. How hard is that to understand?

And why this constant comparison with other countries. Why does it matter if our stats are higher than theirs or not? Do we have a rape problem or not? Then we need to start a dialog so we can fix it. Not sweep it under the carpet blaming the media and intellectuals and the tooth fairy. If you want to really know the depth of the rape problem in india talk to the NGOs that help the victims. I know because i know many people working with them. Don't look to the media alone for the truth. That said, because the media is biased doesn't mean they are fabricating rape reports out of thin air. People need to know how to filter and process information without just accepting anything ANYONE tells you.

Completely agree with your 6th para though. The international financial system itself is a mega scam, ours is a small subset of that. Also, taxation, the excessive amount and multiple times on the same earnings are what have created the whole black money shadow economy in India, people just wouldn't be able to bear it otherwise.

I mean wtf man, you're spot on about pretty much everything, but why you don't believe frustrated indian males have literally made this a rape epidemic is beyond me.
 
Long rant, but you should know that your entire post is the very essence of typical rape apologia. Let me summarize what you are trying to say after removing the noise.

1. Rapes are not a big deal because other counties too have it and as long as you can show that some other country has higher numbers than us on paper, its all good even if those numbers don't represent the truth of the matter due extremely low report rates.
2. Ignore the fact that no other countries culture and justice system trivializes rape to the extent that India does i.e. unless you are competing with some primitive barbarians..Just ignore that Indian culture, traditions and systems in place actively discourage victims from reporting rapes. For example, ignore that Khap Panchayat's or their equivalent present in many villages (both North and South India) punish rape victims and their families if they attempt to approach the police instead of their own kangaroo courts where they don't get justice anyway.
3. Also just ignore that every problem pointed out with other countries for argument sake, also exists in India too and in a significantly worse form.
4. Ignore any data that supports obvious facts and patterns that are apparent just from study of India history and culture and its populations continued instance of clinging to primitive and barbaric traditions that have no place in this century.
5. Always blame somebody else as the root cause for all problems of this country. Our country cannot be blamed for its own mess even if it has existed for centuries. We should always strive to point fingers at somebody else.
 
Long rant, but you should know that your entire post is the very essence of typical rape apologia. Let me summarize what you are trying to say after removing the noise.

I don't even know where to begin, you just keep jumping to wild conclusions about stuff i didn't even type.
 
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