Can ISP throttle speeds only for torrents?

6pack

6pack

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I have a 2Mbps connection.

Speedtest.net shows 2Mbps up/down
Fast.com shows 1.7Mbps down

While browsing the web or downloading from sites like sourceforge, i get around 170 - 250KBps speed.

In torrents, in the starting it hits 250KBps for 1 minute or so and then falls down to 70 - 90KBps and does not go above that. For a Linux iso torrent I got 250KBps, but other well seeded torrents I get max 110KBps.
All settings are default like encryption enabled etc. With same settings last week I used to get 250-270KBps speeds.

I did a traceroute and seems like ISP is getting internet from Reliance now. Also got a govt has banned this page with reliance logo on a japanese news site for some reason.

So is there something that one of these ISP's are doing to reduce the speeds of torrents only?
 
ISPs traditionally blocked or slowed BT traffic using packet shaping. These days they use simpler (and cruder) methods like (sometimes double) NATing to block inbound connections (inbound port blocking). My isp does.

The way the BT protocol is designed is if you don't upload to other peers, they will not upload to you. If the ISP has blocked inbound connection ports using NATing or whatever means, you will not be able to upload and very soon peers will start kicking and banning you. Soon, your speeds will drop to almost nothing, and you will have to reset your public IP so they reconnect. This cycle will repeat. Encryption can help with packet shaping, but not with a total inbound block. The ISPs argument will probably be 'youtube/google/facebook chal raha hain na. phir kya problem hain'
 
I think it was temporary. Now getting full speeds. My uploads always max out at full. Lots of Chinese ip's who hit and run the torrent.
I've seen that Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Taiwanese and Korean people mostly don't seed once download is over. Most worrying is that the USA guys have started streaming anime instead of torrenting, so most torrents on public trackers have just 3-4 seeds now.
 
Julian said:
ISPs traditionally blocked or slowed BT traffic using packet shaping. These days they use simpler (and cruder) methods like (sometimes double) NATing to block inbound connections (inbound port blocking). My isp does.

The way the BT protocol is designed is if you don't upload to other peers, they will not upload to you. If the ISP has blocked inbound connection ports using NATing or whatever means, you will not be able to upload and very soon peers will start kicking and banning you. Soon, your speeds will drop to almost nothing, and you will have to reset your public IP so they reconnect. This cycle will repeat. Encryption can help with packet shaping, but not with a total inbound block. The ISPs argument will probably be 'youtube/google/facebook chal raha hain na. phir kya problem hain'
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Bigger ISPs still use packet shaping, its the newer cable ISPs which A. do not have access to these better tools which do not use them B. They use double NAT to save on IPv4 address, and it does crude packet shaping.

The ISPs use peering which causes speeds to cached torrents, google services and akamai services to be sped up.
 
6pack said:
Lots of Chinese ip's who hit and run the torrent.
I've seen that Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Taiwanese and Korean people mostly don't seed once download is over. Most worrying is that the USA guys have started streaming anime instead of torrenting, so most torrents on public trackers have just 3-4 seeds now.
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vivek.krishnan said:
Bigger ISPs still use packet shaping, its the newer cable ISPs which A. do not have access to these better tools which do not use them B. They use double NAT to save on IPv4 address, and it does crude packet shaping.
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Do you know which indian ISPs use packet shaping these days? And how effective is it at curbing torrent traffic in real life?
 
Julian said:
Daayum nigga, that some racist sh!t ! j/k :D[DOUBLEPOST=1503076513][/DOUBLEPOST]

Do you know which indian ISPs use packet shaping these days? And how effective is it at curbing torrent traffic in real life?
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All the big telcos use packet shaping. Effective depends on level of implementation. If I wanted torrent traffic to be nearly zero, I can do it.
 
vivek.krishnan said:
If I wanted torrent traffic to be nearly zero, I can do it.
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Looks like someone somewhere did it. Cant download anything through torrents from yesterday. Upload and download is 0. Can browse sites easily and speedtest to europe server shows 2Mb up/down.

life sucks with such ISP's who think its their right to control traffic. Why do they do it? Do they have to pay a lot of money for data even if they have their own petabyte or petabit lines to the underwater cable or any other cable that links to internet around the world?

what will happen if i choose http ports like 80 or 8080 in torrent client? or smtp or ftp port etc? will they block traffic on it too?
 
a local shitty isp. cant give out name since they might trouble me.

I'll watch every video on YouTube in 1080p from now onwards. If I can't download, I'll see videos on YT in full HD mode. Amazon prime does not seem to have any video quality settings. Stupid app. videos look bad on Amazon prime compared to YouTube.
 
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6pack said:
a local shitty isp. cant give out name since they might trouble me.

I'll watch every video on YouTube in 1080p from now onwards. If I can't download, I'll see videos on YT in full HD mode. Amazon prime does not seem to have any video quality settings. Stupid app. videos look bad on Amazon prime compared to YouTube.
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Local ISPs usually use crude methods such as blocking ports (along with double NAT) to zero down torrent traffic.

I dont think they will trouble you, unless they are watching this forum and they have negligible customers.

If you want to download from YT, use youtube-dl. Amazon Prime does HD/1080p HD, but it takes some time.
 
woke up today to find out that Hathway has expanded the list of torrent sites being blocked.. now they've gone and blocked 1337x.pl and apparently they're now using netsweeper services to do it.

WTF is going on?? Of late I've also noticed torrents are unable to complete establishing peer connections and just lie idle for days. I'm truly shocked with the heavy handed regulation of the internet in India.. after 3 years abroad.. returning home to this shit simply sucks!

Does anyone have suggestions on what options are there if at all? are there no ways to bypass this crap from ISP's?
 
mach9 said:
woke up today to find out that Hathway has expanded the list of torrent sites being blocked.. now they've gone and blocked 1337x.pl and apparently they're now using netsweeper services to do it.

WTF is going on?? Of late I've also noticed torrents are unable to complete establishing peer connections and just lie idle for days. I'm truly shocked with the heavy handed regulation of the internet in India.. after 3 years abroad.. returning home to this shit simply sucks!

Does anyone have suggestions on what options are there if at all? are there no ways to bypass this crap from ISP's?
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Use a VPN.
 
mach9 said:
doesn't that kill torrent speeds? recommend any?
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Yes, but its going to be like at max 90-95% of your top speed, considering the encryption overheads. Better than zero, where you are, right now.

Alternatively, I would suggest to change the ISP. My ISP has a torrent cache service.
 
vivek.krishnan said:
Yes, but its going to be like at max 90-95% of your top speed, considering the encryption overheads. Better than zero, where you are, right now.

Alternatively, I would suggest to change the ISP. My ISP has a torrent cache service.
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change of ISP is impossible.. Hathway have defacto monopoly here.. it's either them or MTNL ADSL from what I know last time i checked.
 
Me too on hathway but no issues with torrents. TouchWood! But I never download porno shit but only movies or softwares and games.
Whats your location?
 
nRiTeCh said:
Me too on hathway but no issues with torrents. TouchWood! But I never download porno shit but only movies or softwares and games.
Whats your location?
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Same here.. just some good quality music radio stuff mostly/movies and some wares off & on. 1337x was one of the few sites that were still accessible.. now even that's gone. I'm at Wadala E[DOUBLEPOST=1506785617][/DOUBLEPOST]
vivek.krishnan said:
Speak to your local TV cablewallah and ask him.
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lol.. my Hathway connection is through that useless SOB himself..
 
mach9 said:
Same here.. just some good quality music radio stuff mostly/movies and some wares off & on. 1337x was one of the few sites that were still accessible.. now even that's gone. I'm at Wadala E[DOUBLEPOST=1506785617][/DOUBLEPOST]

lol.. my Hathway connection is through that useless SOB himself..
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To test just now downloaded 3 movies from 1337x and all got downloaded at 6mbps flat.
 
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