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[rajshah]

My current rig :

X2 3600+ Brisbane
Biostar TA690G - Onboard DVI / HDMI / Tv-out
Dell 22" LCD
2 gb Corsair
Powersafe 500 PSU.

I am going for an upgrade.

Few things on mind:

Need an energy efficient machine. (Normally on 24x7)
Need it to handle 1080p without hiccups (will run my Dell 22")
Not into gaming. Occasional / casual.

Questions:

Which combo ?
E5200 + G31 (would onboard handle 1080p with Dell 22" ?)
E5200 + G31 + Gfx (Which gfx)

Or

Phenom II X3 720 Black + Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H 780G AMD Board

Which PSU ? (80+% effiecient ?)
Corsair 400/450 ?
Tagan TG500 / TG600 ?

Is E5200 a Dual core or C2D ?
The Intel way will get me a gfx in the same budget mostly.
Does it make sense to go for it or is the AMD Phenom better ?

All other suggestions are welcome :)

[rajshah]

Want to buy tomorrow guys ! Please reply.

[hatter]

E5200+ G31+ Corsair CX400/VX 450+HD 4670 will suit you well enough

[udayrulz]

E5200
G31 S2L
Cx400
Any <3k graphics card .
E5200 is dual core , as far as i know dual core and core 2 duo are nothing but marketing strategy by Intel , the lower dual core models are named dual core and the upper core 2 duo .

As for AMD yes it will perform significantly better than this intel config .

[madnav]

if u r not tooo inclined towards upgrading the whole system then u may just wanna change the board to 780G or 790GX ...that will be enough to satisfy ur needs.

if u thnk ur cpu is consuming alot of power then 780G + 65W athlonX2 (or 45W ones if u can findd one) will do justice.

going for a discreet gfx card is not gonna make ur machine energy efficient.

[rajshah]

morgoth said:

E5200+ G31+ Corsair CX400/VX 450+HD 4670 will suit you well enough

Ok. Any ideas on How much for the HD4670 ?

udayrulz said:

E5200
G31 S2L
Cx400
Any <3k graphics card .
E5200 is dual core , as far as i know dual core and core 2 duo are nothing but marketing strategy by Intel , the lower dual core models are named dual core and the upper core 2 duo .

As for AMD yes it will perform significantly better than this intel config .

Which gfx do you suggest for <3k ?
Also will that gfx support my 22" lcd @ 1080p ?

Would the AMD + onboard gfx combo be better than the mid-level discreet card you are suggesting ?

And doesn't Dual core mean the old P4 architecture ?
Lastly, what would consume more power at stock ?
Intel based or the AMD Phenom one ?

[desiibond]

how about this:

1) AMD Phenom X3 720
2) Biostar TA 790GX

780G+SB700 will not be able to utilize Advanced Clock Calibration overclocking capabilities of Phenom. For this you need a board with SB710 or SB750 southbridge.

And since 790GX comes with 3300 onboard, its lot better than Intel+G32+sub3k GPU IMO

[udayrulz]

rajshah said:

Ok. Any ideas on How much for the HD4670 ?



Which gfx do you suggest for <3k ?
An 8600 Gt DDR3 should be good enough
Also will that gfx support my 22" lcd @ 1080p ?
Yes it will
Would the AMD + onboard gfx combo be better than the mid-level discreet card you are suggesting ?
No the onboard IGP can't match an dedicated GFX , but performance in other applications will certainly be better because x3 720 is a much faster chip .
And doesn't Dual core mean the old P4 architecture ?
Lastly, what would consume more power at stock ?
I am not sure of these two , but i believe at idle Phenom II and Intel would have similar consumption , but at load Phenom II will consume more
Intel based or the AMD Phenom one ?

10 Chars ..

[rajshah]

desiibond said:

how about this:

1) AMD Phenom X3 720
2) Biostar TA 790GX

780G+SB700 will not be able to utilize Advanced Clock Calibration overclocking capabilities of Phenom. For this you need a board with SB710 or SB750 southbridge.

And since 790GX comes with 3300 onboard, its lot better than Intel+G32+sub3k GPU IMO

Ok. Will keep in mind. Thanks.

madnav said:

if u r not tooo inclined towards upgrading the whole system then u may just wanna change the board to 780G or 790GX ...that will be enough to satisfy ur needs.

if u thnk ur cpu is consuming alot of power then 780G + 65W athlonX2 (or 45W ones if u can findd one) will do justice.

going for a discreet gfx card is not gonna make ur machine energy efficient.

Which 45nm AMD cpu ?

And can someone clear the air over E5200 architecture ?
C2D or DC ?

[hatter]

rajshah said:

Which 45nm AMD cpu ?

And can someone clear the air over E5200 architecture ?
C2D or DC ?

There is lots of bullsh*t in this thread... mostly because of amazing support wave that 720 BE is enjoying. Now, don't get me wrong. Me too is a 720 BE fanboy. But one size does not fit all.

@ Rajshah: Given that your requirements/usage can be satisfied with modest power, it is better that you go with E5200. With G31 mobo, it will cost less, will run cooler and will draw a lot less power than 720 BE+780G/790GX mobo.

720BE could be an amazing CPU but it is important to have a balanced rig.

A dedicated gfx card is preferable because you also play *occasional* games as well as require flawless handling of 1080p HD content. HD 4670 @ 4.5K is a tailor-made card for your needs.

Let us see the price/performance of two systems (assuming you already have 4GB RAM)

720BE+Gigabyte 780G/Biostar 790GX = Around 12K

Will be fast enough to handle general computing (word/excel/firefox) easily. Will perform very well with archiving programs, multimedia work, photoshop etc. Will play (relatively older games like CoD4) games at low/medium settings @ 1024X768. Will not be able to cope with newer games. Will play 1080p content but with relatively high CPU usage.

5200+G31+4670 = Around 11K

Will be fast enough to handle general computing (word/excel/firefox) easily. Compared to the system with 720 BE, will be slightly slower with archiving programs, multimedia work, photoshop etc. Will play almost all games (barring Crysis and Stalker) at very high/high settings @ 1024X768. Will play almost all games at high/medium @ 1440X900 or even 1650X1080. Will play 1080p content with ease

Take your pick...

* E5200 is based on core microarchitecture and is a member of Penryn family CPUs built on 45nm process.

* AMD's Phenoms II are 45nm CPUs

[RoBoGhOsT]

1+ for 5200+G31+4670

[rajshah]

morgoth said:

There is lots of bullsh*t in this thread... mostly because of amazing support wave that 720 BE is enjoying. Now, don't get me wrong. Me too is a 720 BE fanboy. But one size does not fit all.

@ Rajshah: Given that your requirements/usage can be satisfied with modest power, it is better that you go with E5200. With G31 mobo, it will cost less, will run cooler and will draw a lot less power than 720 BE+780G/790GX mobo.

720BE could be an amazing CPU but it is important to have a balanced rig.

A dedicated gfx card is preferable because you also play *occasional* games as well as require flawless handling of 1080p HD content. HD 4670 @ 4.5K is a tailor-made card for your needs.

Let us see the price/performance of two systems (assuming you already have 4GB RAM) I will be getting 4gb ram.

720BE+Gigabyte 780G/Biostar 790GX = Around 12K

Will be fast enough to handle general computing (word/excel/firefox) easily. Will perform very well with archiving programs, multimedia work, photoshop etc. Will play (relatively older games like CoD4) games at low/medium settings @ 1024X768. Will not be able to cope with newer games. Will play 1080p content but with relatively high CPU usage.

5200+G31+4670 = Around 11K

Will be fast enough to handle general computing (word/excel/firefox) easily. Compared to the system with 720 BE, will be slightly slower with archiving programs, multimedia work, photoshop etc. Will play almost all games (barring Crysis and Stalker) at very high/high settings @ 1024X768. Will play almost all games at high/medium @ 1440X900 or even 1650X1080. Will play 1080p content with ease

Take your pick...

* E5200 is based on core microarchitecture and is a member of Penryn family CPUs built on 45nm process.

* AMD's Phenoms II are 45nm CPUs

Just the kind of explanation / suggestion I was looking for ! :)
Thanks a lot morgoth ! Awesomely put forth !

RoBoGhOsT said:

1+ for 5200+G31+4670

Yeps. Thanks. Seems like the way to go.

One last thing.. actually few things..

1. How about E7300 in place of E5200 ? Would it make more sense ?
2. PSU - Corsair 450 will be good enough ? or Tagan500 / 600 ?
3. Palit HD4670 best option or some other brand ?
4. HD4670 will handle the 22" for gaming.. but I will have to game @ low resolutions right ? (noob about this)

[hatter]

rajshah said:

One last thing.. actually few things..

1. How about E7300 in place of E5200 ? Would it make more sense ?
2. PSU - Corsair 450 will be good enough ? or Tagan500 / 600 ?
3. Palit HD4670 best option or some other brand ?
4. HD4670 will handle the 22" for gaming.. but I will have to game @ low resolutions right ? (noob about this)

1- E7300 will be definitely better than E5200. But it will also cost around 2K more. Better to spend 2K on a third-party CPU cooler and overclock E5200 :)

2- Corsair VX 450 will be more than enough. In any case, this is a better PSU that Tagan 500W

3- Palit one is cheapest... you take whichever you can find in your place at the best prices as well as with the best aftersales support.

4- Yes, 4670 will not be able to drive new games at 1080p resolution @ high/very high settings. But I think games like Call of Duty 2 and older will run fine even on native res with most gfx options at high+some at medium.

[rajshah]

morgoth said:

1- E7300 will be definitely better than E5200. But it will also cost around 2K more. Better to spend 2K on a third-party CPU cooler and overclock E5200 :)

Ok. E5200. Done.

2- Corsair VX 450 will be more than enough. In any case, this is a better PSU that Tagan 500W

Ok. VX450.

3- Palit one is cheapest... you take whichever you can find in your place at the best prices as well as with the best aftersales support.

Will buy from lamington road. So Palit 4670 it is.

4- Yes, 4670 will not be able to drive new games at 1080p resolution @ high/very high settings. But I think games like Call of Duty 2 and older will run fine even on native res with most gfx options at high+some at medium.

Alright. Seems good enough for my requirements.

Almost all set. Will mostly buy tomorrow. Thanks again morgoth.
You've been Super !