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Hi Guys. Bot The Zotac 9600gt Very Recently. The Card Is Nice. No Thermal Issues. But I Have One Question.
My Sys. Specs:
Amd X2 5000+
M2n-vm Hdmi
4gb Ddr2 800 Transcend Memory
250gb Sata
Huntkey 450w Power Supply
19" Samsung Widescreen Monitor
While Gaming, The Card Lags Once In Every 5 Minutes And Reverts Back To The Normal State In 3-4 Seconds. Especially When Antialiasing Is Enabled ( Even In 2x). So I Disabled It And Enabled Anisotropic Filtering (8x). This I Did In Tomb Raider Underworld. Now It Rarely Lags. Is There Any Problem With The Card Or The Driver.
Even In Devil May Cry 4, The Same Problem. Since There Is No Advanced Setting, Was Playing The Game As It Is. Now The Same Lag (once In 5 Minutes, Or Lesser) In Prince Of Persia 2008 Too. There Is No Advanced Setting In This Game Too. But I Think I Can Force Aa Off In Nvidia Control Panel. But Havent Done That.
But Older Games Like Fear, Doom 3 Etc. Are Ok.
So Is There Any Problem With This Card, Or The 9600gt Range Of Gpus Are Like This, Or Is There Any Driver Issue. Plz Tell Me Guys. If There Is A Problem With The Card , I Have To Rma It As Soon As Possible.
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#1
Posted 14 December 2008 - 01:42 PM
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#2
Posted 14 December 2008 - 02:05 PM
Update to the latest drivers from Nvidia website.
I don't think it should lag....Maybe the latest driver will solve the problems also don't force any AA.
Try playing without AA. these lags are basically frame rate drops at what resolution are you playing ?
I don't think it should lag....Maybe the latest driver will solve the problems also don't force any AA.
Try playing without AA. these lags are basically frame rate drops at what resolution are you playing ?
#3
Posted 14 December 2008 - 02:44 PM
I dont think its the problem of the graphics card.. May be a driver issue most probably.. BTW what's the ampere rating the "Huntkey 450w Power Supply" in the +12V line?? Havent heard of such a brand..
#4
Posted 14 December 2008 - 03:00 PM
yes dude, have installed the latest drivers and m not forcing any AA. but the same problem. the huntkey power supply is a hongkong make. it is sold here in chennai and it is very popular here. it seems good than the zebronics platinum i think . even i came to know about it very recently. it has 2 rails of 12v with 18amps each . so total of 36amps. this card requires 26amps , right ?? . only after going through the specification from the website , i intended to purchase it .
the full name of the psu is huntkey v-power 450w. and it comes with a 5 yr warranty, which impressed me . the url is huntkeydiy.com. for ur information u may also download the spec. sheet of this psu. plz navigate to powersupply > v-power > 450w and download the pdf file . it has the detailed spec . u can have a look at it to get additional info.
plz frnds, i need to know if there is any issue with this card or with this psu. plz reply ASAP.
bye
the full name of the psu is huntkey v-power 450w. and it comes with a 5 yr warranty, which impressed me . the url is huntkeydiy.com. for ur information u may also download the spec. sheet of this psu. plz navigate to powersupply > v-power > 450w and download the pdf file . it has the detailed spec . u can have a look at it to get additional info.
plz frnds, i need to know if there is any issue with this card or with this psu. plz reply ASAP.
bye
#5
Posted 14 December 2008 - 03:00 PM
Well, it's most probably a driver issue. Update it to the 180.48 drivers and see.
Also, keep the settings in Nvidia Control Panel as it is. Don't change the performance settings.
If u are playing at 1680 and max settings, the lags must be frame drops. Try running the game at less resolutions and see if the lags reoccur.
Also, run a 3DMark benchmark to see ur 3DMark score. See if the lags occcur during the run.
If after all these, the issue stilol dere, RMA time buddy.
Edited: Also clean the drivers completely before installing the new driver. Preferably use Driver sweeper to do that. Reboot and then install the new driver. Lots of problems happen due to traces of old drivers.
Also, keep the settings in Nvidia Control Panel as it is. Don't change the performance settings.
If u are playing at 1680 and max settings, the lags must be frame drops. Try running the game at less resolutions and see if the lags reoccur.
Also, run a 3DMark benchmark to see ur 3DMark score. See if the lags occcur during the run.
If after all these, the issue stilol dere, RMA time buddy.
Edited: Also clean the drivers completely before installing the new driver. Preferably use Driver sweeper to do that. Reboot and then install the new driver. Lots of problems happen due to traces of old drivers.
#6
Posted 14 December 2008 - 03:04 PM
vinaycm said:
I dont think its the problem of the graphics card.. May be a driver issue most probably.. BTW what's the ampere rating the "Huntkey 450w Power Supply" in the +12V line?? Havent heard of such a brand..
+1 for that
Check for latest drivers from nvidia site and upgrade ur SMPS as early as possible.
#7
Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:06 PM
ok dude, will try reinstalling the os or use driver sweeper and try. cuz i initially installed the driver provided in the cd and only then i installed the latest driver. so will give a try
and i forgot to tell about 1 more issue. dont know it is an issue or not. in tomb raider underworld, the shadows are not proper. when lara standing, the shadows are not clear and its a kinda .... i dont know how to explain it. i think u must have understood it. and also in devil may cry 4, there are some issues which my brother has noticed it. are these driver errors or programming errors ??. dont know. i was suggested this card by most of the dealers and i thot this card wud b the best. but.... i dont know whats going on.
so anyway will try the above and get back to u asap.
and i forgot to tell about 1 more issue. dont know it is an issue or not. in tomb raider underworld, the shadows are not proper. when lara standing, the shadows are not clear and its a kinda .... i dont know how to explain it. i think u must have understood it. and also in devil may cry 4, there are some issues which my brother has noticed it. are these driver errors or programming errors ??. dont know. i was suggested this card by most of the dealers and i thot this card wud b the best. but.... i dont know whats going on.
so anyway will try the above and get back to u asap.
#8
Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:31 PM
If no success after re installation then your SMPS could be issue.Try another.
This is also not true, take a look at total power drawn on 12v rails,from here calculate current available on 12v rails by dividing with total power in watts.Here are some conclusions about huntkey PSU .
Huntkey Green Star 450 W Power Supply Review | Hardware Secrets
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2 rails of 12v with 18amps each . so total of 36amps
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Huntkey Green Star 450 W (LW-6450G) is in fact a 360 W power supply. This wouldn't be a problem if the power supply didn't explode if you try to pull 450 W from it (we tested two power supplies with two different 450 W load patterns). Also while delivering 360 W its efficiency drops below 80% and its electrical noise increases a lot, but still inside specs.
If you use this power supply with a PC that pulls only up to 270 W it will have an excellent efficiency.
This is without questioning the worst "branded" power supply we've seen. Thermaltake PurePower 430 W NP is another power supply that can't deliver its labeled power, but at least this Thermaltake model doesn't explode if you try to pull its labeled power.
This is probably the worst “branded” power supply we’ve seen in our life:
* Its wires are thinner than required (20 AWG vs. 18 AWG).
* It can’t deliver its maximum labeled power (450 W), being in fact a 360 W unit (the labeled 450 W is peak power, which can only be pulled for a few seconds).
* It explodes if you try to pull more than 80% of its load (360 W).
* It doesn’t offer any kind of protection (or it wouldn’t explode).
* Its efficiency is very good (i.e. above 80%) if you pull up to 60% of its maximum load (270 W), but if you go over this it drops below 80%.
Does this mean that Huntkey is making false claims and should be sued? Unfortunately no, as the manufacturer doesn’t say the methodology they used to label their power supply – maybe they labeled the unit inside a freezer in China, who knows? The fact is that under real-world conditions, with a room temperature between 45º C and 50º C this power supply can't deliver 450 W continously.
In summary, would you buy a 450 W power supply that can only deliver 360 W and explodes if you try to pull more than that?
If you use this power supply with a PC that pulls only up to 270 W it will have an excellent efficiency.
This is without questioning the worst "branded" power supply we've seen. Thermaltake PurePower 430 W NP is another power supply that can't deliver its labeled power, but at least this Thermaltake model doesn't explode if you try to pull its labeled power.
This is probably the worst “branded” power supply we’ve seen in our life:
* Its wires are thinner than required (20 AWG vs. 18 AWG).
* It can’t deliver its maximum labeled power (450 W), being in fact a 360 W unit (the labeled 450 W is peak power, which can only be pulled for a few seconds).
* It explodes if you try to pull more than 80% of its load (360 W).
* It doesn’t offer any kind of protection (or it wouldn’t explode).
* Its efficiency is very good (i.e. above 80%) if you pull up to 60% of its maximum load (270 W), but if you go over this it drops below 80%.
Does this mean that Huntkey is making false claims and should be sued? Unfortunately no, as the manufacturer doesn’t say the methodology they used to label their power supply – maybe they labeled the unit inside a freezer in China, who knows? The fact is that under real-world conditions, with a room temperature between 45º C and 50º C this power supply can't deliver 450 W continously.
In summary, would you buy a 450 W power supply that can only deliver 360 W and explodes if you try to pull more than that?
#9
Posted 15 December 2008 - 02:57 AM
Upgrade the PSU if possible, also the lagging my friend had too it seemed to be a kind of virus, which increased the HDD activiy suddenly, which caused lag in games. So run a good AV and do a clean install of the drivers, do not use beta drivers etc.
#10
Posted 15 December 2008 - 02:12 PM
clown_abhi said:
Well, it's most probably a driver issue. Update it to the 180.48 drivers and see.
Also, keep the settings in Nvidia Control Panel as it is. Don't change the performance settings.
If u are playing at 1680 and max settings, the lags must be frame drops. Try running the game at less resolutions and see if the lags reoccur.
Also, run a 3DMark benchmark to see ur 3DMark score. See if the lags occcur during the run.
If after all these, the issue stilol dere, RMA time buddy.
Edited: Also clean the drivers completely before installing the new driver. Preferably use Driver sweeper to do that. Reboot and then install the new driver. Lots of problems happen due to traces of old drivers.
Also, keep the settings in Nvidia Control Panel as it is. Don't change the performance settings.
If u are playing at 1680 and max settings, the lags must be frame drops. Try running the game at less resolutions and see if the lags reoccur.
Also, run a 3DMark benchmark to see ur 3DMark score. See if the lags occcur during the run.
If after all these, the issue stilol dere, RMA time buddy.
Edited: Also clean the drivers completely before installing the new driver. Preferably use Driver sweeper to do that. Reboot and then install the new driver. Lots of problems happen due to traces of old drivers.
dude, tried using driver sweeper, reinstalled windows, installed the latest driver, installed amd dual core optimizer, winxp dual core hotfix, amd processor driver given in the cd ... but the problem still persists.
so asked the service person of this power supply. he told that that if the psu cannot handle the gpu power requirement, surely the system wud hang up or restart. in the absence of these, the lag problem is caused only by the gpu he says. he is also ready to give me a 500w power supply by paying more but he says that it is a waste of money. so....
now in prince of persia 2008, i've reduced the resolution to 1024 x 786. it was better than 1440x900 . and then i tried reducing it to 800x600 and this was better than 1024x768.
so now frnds, plz tell what is the problem. the more the resolution is, the frequency of the lag increases.
so now what shud i do ??. shall i RMA the card. bcuz i fear that, i will be getting an old card as replacement. but if that card also performs like the same, i will be very much worried.
plz give me a suggestion guys, cuz m trying to RMA the card. also if anyone knows the service center for zotac in chennai or anywhere, plz give me the details of the phone no. etc. will be very thankful to u frnds .....
reply ASAP.
bye....
#11
Posted 15 December 2008 - 02:59 PM
^^ proccy is bottlenecking with your card & hence the lags..
i don't think your total system power consumptions exceeds 270W, hence PSU isn't culprit in your case..
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But Older Games Like Fear, Doom 3 Etc. Are Ok
i don't think your total system power consumptions exceeds 270W, hence PSU isn't culprit in your case..
#12
Posted 15 December 2008 - 04:17 PM
^^ Proccy is not the issue POP 2008, is working perfectly fine at 1024*768 on my sys which is a 4000+ and a 7900GTO etc...
#13
Posted 15 December 2008 - 04:18 PM
anfjavid said:
[B]now in prince of persia 2008, i've reduced the resolution to 1024 x 786. it was better than 1440x900 . and then i tried reducing it to 800x600 and this was better than 1024x768.
so now frnds, plz tell what is the problem. the more the resolution is, the frequency of the lag increases.
There u got ur answer...:)
Since it's running fine at just the lower resolution, I think the card is just fine. Also, since the older games are running without any lag, the card is ok. Have u overclocked ur processor. U have a good processor, just overclock it and u'll get a lot more out of ur card.
The lags are not because of any 3D problem but due to the resolution and the settings used which the card is not able to handle. Did u run 3D Mark?
If u tell us the score, we can tell if the score is ok for the card just to make sure that it's not the problem.
Also attach a screenie for the result. For the shadows problem, take a screenie and attach it here so that we can take a look. And don't panic...:P
The PSU seems fine to me for a 9600GT though not dependable for longer periods.
#14
Posted 15 December 2008 - 04:54 PM
clown_abhi said:
There u got ur answer...:)
Since it's running fine at just the lower resolution, I think the card is just fine. Also, since the older games are running without any lag, the card is ok. Have u overclocked ur processor. U have a good processor, just overclock it and u'll get a lot more out of ur card.
The lags are not because of any 3D problem but due to the resolution and the settings used which the card is not able to handle. Did u run 3D Mark?
If u tell us the score, we can tell if the score is ok for the card just to make sure that it's not the problem.
Also attach a screenie for the result. For the shadows problem, take a screenie and attach it here so that we can take a look. And don't panic...:P
The PSU seems fine to me for a 9600GT though not dependable for longer periods.
Since it's running fine at just the lower resolution, I think the card is just fine. Also, since the older games are running without any lag, the card is ok. Have u overclocked ur processor. U have a good processor, just overclock it and u'll get a lot more out of ur card.
The lags are not because of any 3D problem but due to the resolution and the settings used which the card is not able to handle. Did u run 3D Mark?
If u tell us the score, we can tell if the score is ok for the card just to make sure that it's not the problem.
Also attach a screenie for the result. For the shadows problem, take a screenie and attach it here so that we can take a look. And don't panic...:P
The PSU seems fine to me for a 9600GT though not dependable for longer periods.
can u plz tell me which software is that ?. is that 3d mark basic or 3d mark vantage pro. is 3d mark basic enuf or i have to download 3d mark vantage pro ??. plz tell me .
and will post the pics asap ....
#15
Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:30 AM
If u have 3D Mark Vantage, u can just get the Professional edition key and register with that key to unlock the professional edition.
However, if u have 3D Mark 06, Better run 3DMark 06 and tell the score.
However, if u have 3D Mark 06, Better run 3DMark 06 and tell the score.
#16
Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:06 AM
Better still run Fraps on POP, and report the minimum FPS, proccy is certainly not a bottleneck to limit frames.
Processor bottlenecks the upper limits not the lower limits, Ie if the proccy is a bottleneck the game will skip in lower resolutions too. Also does riva tuner let you graph clock speeds across a timespan, if yes run the clock speed graph while you are gaming. Me thinks the card is throttling down for some reason...
Processor bottlenecks the upper limits not the lower limits, Ie if the proccy is a bottleneck the game will skip in lower resolutions too. Also does riva tuner let you graph clock speeds across a timespan, if yes run the clock speed graph while you are gaming. Me thinks the card is throttling down for some reason...
#17
Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:08 PM
frnds, at last m posting the screenshots of tomb raider underworld and the benchmark results of the full registered version of 3dmark 06.
u can see the shadows in TRU are jagged. but in old games like doom, fear they are ok.
i cant come to a conclusion even now that which is the culprit. but i think there is a chance that the card is faulty.
even today have played F.E.A.R with maximum settings for half an hour. but no lags at all. i get lags very rarely while shooting, etc. but thats usual with every game and not like in tomb raider underworld, legendary, mass effect, etc.
even the shadow rendering is proper with F.E.A.R. so both the shadow rendering as well as the lag occurs in the latest games , viz., tomb raider underworld, legendary, mass effect.
so plz tell me frnds after going thru the test results which i have posted here , i got a lot frustrated by this notorious card. SO WHAT THE HELL HAS GONE WRONG
waiting for reply asap.
u can see the shadows in TRU are jagged. but in old games like doom, fear they are ok.
i cant come to a conclusion even now that which is the culprit. but i think there is a chance that the card is faulty.
even today have played F.E.A.R with maximum settings for half an hour. but no lags at all. i get lags very rarely while shooting, etc. but thats usual with every game and not like in tomb raider underworld, legendary, mass effect, etc.
even the shadow rendering is proper with F.E.A.R. so both the shadow rendering as well as the lag occurs in the latest games , viz., tomb raider underworld, legendary, mass effect.
so plz tell me frnds after going thru the test results which i have posted here , i got a lot frustrated by this notorious card. SO WHAT THE HELL HAS GONE WRONG
waiting for reply asap.
#18
Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:10 PM
clown_abhi said:
If u have 3D Mark Vantage, u can just get the Professional edition key and register with that key to unlock the professional edition.
However, if u have 3D Mark 06, Better run 3DMark 06 and tell the score.
However, if u have 3D Mark 06, Better run 3DMark 06 and tell the score.
frnds, at last m posting the screenshots of tomb raider underworld and the benchmark results of the full registered version of 3dmark 06.
u can see the shadows in TRU are jagged. but in old games like doom, fear they are ok.
i cant come to a conclusion even now that which is the culprit. but i think there is a chance that the card is faulty.
even today have played F.E.A.R with maximum settings for half an hour. but no lags at all. i get lags very rarely while shooting, etc. but thats usual with every game and not like in tomb raider underworld, legendary, mass effect, etc.
even the shadow rendering is proper with F.E.A.R. so both the shadow rendering as well as the lag occurs in the latest games , viz., tomb raider underworld, legendary, mass effect.
so plz tell me frnds after going thru the test results which i have posted here , i got a lot frustrated by this notorious card. SO WHAT THE HELL HAS GONE WRONG
AND SORRY FRND CANT POST THE FULL RESULT. IT IS IN XLS FORMAT AND I CAN EVEN SAVE IT IN 3DMARK FORMAT BUT SINCE THE FILE FORMAT IS NOT ALLOWED HERE I HAVE POSTED THE IMPORTANT PART OF THE RESULTS IN WORD FORMAT. IF U NEED THE FULL TEXT RESULT , PLZ GIVE ME UR email address will post it immediately......
waiting for reply asap.
#19
Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:33 PM
Most of the newer games, have a diff method for rendering shadows. Rendering shadows takes a significant FPS hit, especially if you have soft shadows or so enabled. My guess is soft shadows in your case might be turned off.. and the game defaulting to non-eye candy method of rendering shadows..
Also shadows appearing jagged, can hardly be a conclusion that the card is not working correctly. Newer games will take a huge performance hit with shadow detail at maximum etc..
PS: Cant see your screenshots
Also shadows appearing jagged, can hardly be a conclusion that the card is not working correctly. Newer games will take a huge performance hit with shadow detail at maximum etc..
PS: Cant see your screenshots
#20
Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:58 PM
3D Mark score is just fine. The processor needs a little more overclock though for the 9600GT to breathe.
The shadows in Tomb Raider are jagged coz AA is not enabled. U should be able to run the game with 8x AA in-game. Try it out. The jaggies should be smooth. Also as Aces explained, the shadows are very complex in games nowadays. The jaggies are like always dere. Even with AA, Crysis had those jaggies. So, jaggies will be dere and start living with them...:bleh:
The lag which occurs during shooting is due to intense graphics processing at those moments - shadows, bullet marks, shells, smoke and explosions all at once and hence the lag for a few seconds.
Buddy, ur card is just fine...I think it's just the resolutions u are playing it on. Try to reduce the resolution a bit or the visual detail a bit and there should be no lag.
Else, if u are still doubtful, ask a TE guy at ur place for making a visit to ur home and checking a few games with U. I think that should clear all ur worries...:)
The shadows in Tomb Raider are jagged coz AA is not enabled. U should be able to run the game with 8x AA in-game. Try it out. The jaggies should be smooth. Also as Aces explained, the shadows are very complex in games nowadays. The jaggies are like always dere. Even with AA, Crysis had those jaggies. So, jaggies will be dere and start living with them...:bleh:
The lag which occurs during shooting is due to intense graphics processing at those moments - shadows, bullet marks, shells, smoke and explosions all at once and hence the lag for a few seconds.
Buddy, ur card is just fine...I think it's just the resolutions u are playing it on. Try to reduce the resolution a bit or the visual detail a bit and there should be no lag.
Else, if u are still doubtful, ask a TE guy at ur place for making a visit to ur home and checking a few games with U. I think that should clear all ur worries...:)
