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<blockquote data-quote="Shripad" data-source="post: 1475500" data-attributes="member: 272"><p><strong>Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All people you mentioned in the post have achieved something significant for their nation. </p><p></p><p> I really doubt whether you are me as well are even qualified to question the motives of likes of Mother Teresa. And Mandela achieved great things for his nation, but his actions and beliefs, his call for certain actions by people did cause significant loss of life through social / ethnic violence in SA. Nobody is perfect. </p><p></p><p>They are are regarded highly because they achieved something for the betterment of their society, country and world.</p><p></p><p>And when the fear of possible public reaction and its consequences in next election makes government do something, you need to understand how grand the effect of all this is and could be. When you think government had to act because they are afraid of coming into power again, it shows exactly why this was successful. </p><p></p><p>When people has to fear the government, there is something fundamentally wrong with that country. When its other way around, its a better sign of things to come.</p><p></p><p>And it was never "pass this till 30th or die" It was pass it till 30th or be ready for stronger agitation. None of this disregarded the constitution. It actually utilised the constitutional rights given to the people to actually achieve something. Or should I say use it to head towards right direction. Nothing is achieved yet. It is yet to be done, but first step is taken. Its entirely upto the parliament to actually do something that they have promised yesterday.</p><p></p><p>In my book there has been no real massiah in the human history ever. It is simply not possible if you go by the actual concept of massiah. Unless you have a system or a large group of people who act for the benefit of society, its always difficult for one man to do anything.</p><p></p><p>They reason Hazare was successful is because of the support he got. And he had no support of the large masses, he wouldnt have been effective. Even Ramdev has a cult following and received tremendous media attention. Why do you think the media attention quickly wavered away from him? And same did not happen this time around? Why? because this time it had larger support form everyone. Not just media. There were channels and reporters who were actually specialising in the new ways to slam him and his movement on TV <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>So just media frenzy alone was not responsible. It always had. Even in our independence struggle, media played a big role. Why do you think Lokmanya Tilak and many other risked their life daily to print underground newspapers and spreading their messages through few legit news papers back in a day? Media always plays a role.</p><p></p><p>Coming to something you posted earlier. The law already has provision to punish someone if he offers bribe to demand +ve result in his favour. An honest employee can report such person and that person can be arrested. Its still the duty of the government employee to refuse such bribe. Why? because they are sitting in a position of making sure they do their job honestly. They are in a position of authority. And so its their duty to not accept bribe even if its offered.</p><p></p><p>If bribe is asked and then given, then only the government employee will suffer because of the same reason. He abused his position of authority, the onus is on him to maintain the integrity of his position. If thats too much to ask, he has no business being a public servant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you think this is fascism, you really need to read up on it m8.</p><p></p><p>As far as Kiran bedi is concerned, she made a fool out of herself and got slammed by same media that was supporting Hazare before and after the incidents. It made little difference to the movement. A lot of mudslinging happened on the so called "A team" but not much stuck because the core idea and the main person who was backbone of the movement was squeaky clean.</p><p></p><p>And the bold part, that thinking is actually leaning towards fascism. That class is the major contributor to this country and forms the large portion of highly skilled, moderately skilled labour and is major financial and social contributor to this country.</p><p></p><p>If government bent over for them, I am glad as it proves we are not a fascist / dictatorial state.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shripad, post: 1475500, member: 272"] [b]Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.[/b] All people you mentioned in the post have achieved something significant for their nation. I really doubt whether you are me as well are even qualified to question the motives of likes of Mother Teresa. And Mandela achieved great things for his nation, but his actions and beliefs, his call for certain actions by people did cause significant loss of life through social / ethnic violence in SA. Nobody is perfect. They are are regarded highly because they achieved something for the betterment of their society, country and world. And when the fear of possible public reaction and its consequences in next election makes government do something, you need to understand how grand the effect of all this is and could be. When you think government had to act because they are afraid of coming into power again, it shows exactly why this was successful. When people has to fear the government, there is something fundamentally wrong with that country. When its other way around, its a better sign of things to come. And it was never "pass this till 30th or die" It was pass it till 30th or be ready for stronger agitation. None of this disregarded the constitution. It actually utilised the constitutional rights given to the people to actually achieve something. Or should I say use it to head towards right direction. Nothing is achieved yet. It is yet to be done, but first step is taken. Its entirely upto the parliament to actually do something that they have promised yesterday. In my book there has been no real massiah in the human history ever. It is simply not possible if you go by the actual concept of massiah. Unless you have a system or a large group of people who act for the benefit of society, its always difficult for one man to do anything. They reason Hazare was successful is because of the support he got. And he had no support of the large masses, he wouldnt have been effective. Even Ramdev has a cult following and received tremendous media attention. Why do you think the media attention quickly wavered away from him? And same did not happen this time around? Why? because this time it had larger support form everyone. Not just media. There were channels and reporters who were actually specialising in the new ways to slam him and his movement on TV :P So just media frenzy alone was not responsible. It always had. Even in our independence struggle, media played a big role. Why do you think Lokmanya Tilak and many other risked their life daily to print underground newspapers and spreading their messages through few legit news papers back in a day? Media always plays a role. Coming to something you posted earlier. The law already has provision to punish someone if he offers bribe to demand +ve result in his favour. An honest employee can report such person and that person can be arrested. Its still the duty of the government employee to refuse such bribe. Why? because they are sitting in a position of making sure they do their job honestly. They are in a position of authority. And so its their duty to not accept bribe even if its offered. If bribe is asked and then given, then only the government employee will suffer because of the same reason. He abused his position of authority, the onus is on him to maintain the integrity of his position. If thats too much to ask, he has no business being a public servant. If you think this is fascism, you really need to read up on it m8. As far as Kiran bedi is concerned, she made a fool out of herself and got slammed by same media that was supporting Hazare before and after the incidents. It made little difference to the movement. A lot of mudslinging happened on the so called "A team" but not much stuck because the core idea and the main person who was backbone of the movement was squeaky clean. And the bold part, that thinking is actually leaning towards fascism. That class is the major contributor to this country and forms the large portion of highly skilled, moderately skilled labour and is major financial and social contributor to this country. If government bent over for them, I am glad as it proves we are not a fascist / dictatorial state. [/QUOTE]
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