Which UPS will handle this ?

Hi Guys,

I'm planning to upgrade my rig and my Final Config will prolly be:

Core i7 920 (bought today)
MSI X58 Pro-E (bought today)
1TB WD Caviar Green (bought today)
160 GB SATA HDD (cannibalised from my (very) old rig. )
GTX 275 (Haven't decided the brand yet, either Palit or MSI; they seem to be pretty cheap )
6 GB DDR3 1600 RAM
All this to be powered by Real Power M700 (thanks DarkNight ).

Now, when I bought the above stuff from SMC today I asked him for a 800Va UPS and he said I'd need at least a 1KVa UPS to power all that but a Microtek 1KVa will not suffice and that I should go with an APC 1 or preferably 1.5 KVa. My problem is that the APC one is way more expensive than the Microtek one. (And I want to keep the cost down as much as possible )

As I hadn't done proper research on the UPS part (I know, silly me; all my research time was spent on the other stuff ) I didn't buy it today. Which brings me to my question; is what the SMC dude said true? Do I really need to go for a 1/1.5 KVa? And is APC really a must?

Also GPU and RAM recommendations are welcome, but secondary.

Thanks for your help and sorry for the long post!

^^Thought you should know this:

I have 1Kv APC ups BR1000-IN its almost 9 months old.APC replaced the ups 2 times under warranty.The second replacement happened just 2 days back now powechute is telling me this:

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I think even this has gone kaput.I will have to call the apc guys tomorrow
lets see what happens or else i have to start a new thread here.

Thanks for the info!

So, is no brand worth it's salt in the UPS market?

Edit: Btw what's ur config?

If you have a 700W PSU then it can potentially draw 700W from the UPS. Just like a PSU, even a UPS has an efficiency. UPS efficiency is very low compared to PSUs. They usually are rated at 65%.

However the real world value is much lower, around 50%. I also have a 1KVA APC BR1000IN which is 65% efficiency. Thus it should run 650W theoretically. The bloody thing never even ran 450W (according to their software's power reading). I had a 500W PSU at the time. And if the power went out it would immediately overload and cut off the power.

I then upgraded my computer and got a 750W PSU. It wouldn't even turn on on the so called 1KVA APC BR1000IN. Finally I bought an APC SUA1000UXI. Its 1KVA but 80% efficiency. It doesn't come with batteries, so you need to connect external LeadAcid batteries. It has a meter on the front which shows the load % and it seems to be true 800W capacity.



So for 700W PSU I think the minimum you need is the BR1500IN 1.5KVA. That one has built in batteries.

APC's home UPSs are apparently SHIT. They are made for the cheapskate Indian consumer who thinks he's very smart by getting a good deal just because the UPS casing looks better than their PC cabinet. Their inverters were such shit that it was removed from the market. Like I mentioned before, their 1KVA BR1000IN home use model didn't even provide 450W. However their server grade UPSs like the Smart-UPS series are excellent.

Another thing you must keep in mind is that 700W is exclusively for the PSU. You will probably be connecting monitor, speakers and other shit directly to the UPS as well. So you need to add wattage for those.

Expect to spend 10-15k for a UPS for your config. If your PSU is not fully loaded and isn't consuming 700W, then you can get away with a lower wattage 1KVA UPS for around 6-7K. But it will become a problem later when you start adding more components.

If a company like APC is capable of producing a piece of shit like the BR1000IN, then imagine the quality of other local brands like Microtek and Zebronics.

That can happen if your CPU is running at 100% for a long time. Like during Prime95 or OCCT runs. The USB communication fails.

Also you need to check whether the UPS has cold-start capability. APC does not have it but their website lists it. I had a APC BackUPS 800RS (800VA) and it didn't have.

My current HP Premium 800 UPS has it.

There is a excellent website for choosing an UPS/Inverter. The link is : The Home UPS/Inverter Buying Guide — iLog

The BR1000IN supports cold start. Actually I've never seen a UPS that doesn't support cold start. (Maybe local UPS are so bad they don't know that they should prevent cold start on low capacity batteries?). Smart-UPS 1000VA also supports cold start. But you have do press the button once till it beeps once, then release and hold for 4 seconds or some crap. Otherwise once you shutdown during a power failure it won't start again by simply pressing the button. On some other APC models you have to press the Test button till it LONG beeps, then you must release the button DURING the beep sound to power on. If you hold it for too long it won't turn on. Cold start is very bad for the batteries thats why they have these complicated procedures.

Thanks Torch and rajndra for your responses! What the heck's a "cold start"?

To turn on when there is no power.

WOAH I did not know APC back up ups are CRAP.And they do not even provide 450W.But I paid 7000 Bucks for this CRAP.
My config:

E2180@3.0GHZ.

Abit IP35-E.

3GB Transcend value ram 800MHZ DDR2.

500GB Seagate HDD.

Corsair 450VX.

17” Samaung CRT.(connected to ups)

MSI 4850 OC.

Samsuns 22X dvr WRITER.

Altec lansing VS4121(connected to ups)

G5 laser mouse.

Logitech ordinary keyboard.

With all this connected powerchute is telling me this:



Am I drawing only this much power from the ups.

The first apc ups was replaced under warranty cause it would go into overload and crash my pc.It would not happen everyday it would work just fine for weeks then suddenly the red overload light would come and my pc will crash.Then one day the orange Replace battery light went on.so apc guys replaced the ups under warranty.

The second APC ups worked for 2 months without any problem then it too went into overload and crashed my pc.

The third replacement is telling me the above mentioned Fault .

Torch cpu was not running @ 100% it was like 2-3% all the overload episode happened when the pc was just downloading doing nothing else I checked.Thank you for the gyan .

My dad's pc is an E8400 @ 3.0 GHz on an Intel DG33 board. Other components are basic. Its running on the BR1000IN and the software shows only 135W load on his PC.

Anybody using/heard of Powercom UPSs? Their stuff seems to be much cheaper than the APC and from what little I could find online, the quality ain't bad either. Words of wisdom; anyone?

Thanks!

EDIT: Forget it. Found some more (in fact a lot more) not so good stuff about them. My bad; should have dug a little deeper before posting the query.

hi torch ,is APC SUA1000UXI 800w or 670w?.can you please check the back panel of the ups? or else where is it showing 800w,like in powerchute software?

Does the SUA1000UXI use a APC proprietary battery connector? If so, do they provide the battery cables with regular lugs on the other end to connect the batteries? Can you explain this a little bit?

Thanks.

@Torch: Can you please tell us how much backup you get with that UPS setup? Also, please let us know how much did it cost you.