Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Released !

OK, thanks a lot.

For one, the laptop will have 4 GB of RAM. So I want to be able to use all of that memory.

Two, why not? From what I hear, the XPS M1530(that's what I am planning to buy) works well with Hardy 64-bit. Someone at UbuntuForums.org has a blog page about it. So, hopefully there won't be too many config-related issues.

I think the 64-bit linux world is now advanced enough that people should ask "why not" and not "why"; and for me, at least for now, the "why not" question doesn't have any answers. The 64-bit section in UbuntuForums.org is pretty good, lots of good info threads there.

Two questions:-

1. Is there any unlimited plan for TATA Indicom Plug2Surf? None is listed on the tariffs page... That page is a bit confusing for me...

2. The "Plug2Surf Whiz" has Ubuntu listed. But not Vista. I will have a Hardy/Vista dual boot system... So, the Whiz plan doesn't work with Vista? Also, only Ubuntu 5/6 is listed. No problems for 8.04 right?

^^ It will work in higher version of Ubuntu

OMG FFS what POS/PITA distros these are compared to Ubuntu

Nothing to beat its fast, clean and simple installation and configuration, so I am reinstalling Hardy since it has worked very well for me!

Ranting follows, so feel free to skip

The main pain point is rpm (with its yum/urpmi) which totally sucks (slowww) compared to deb (with apt/synaptic etc)...

Both F9 (on my tablet) and Mandriva (on my desktop) seem to want to keep downloading all sorts of shite for every little thing... especially the initial repository source (package list) refresh/update which is way faster in Ubuntu on sucky 256/512 kbps broadband.

Mandriva even froze while trying to run Codeina to install codecs, then after resetting it would go only to Fluendo Web Shop where it wants me to register - and not the Mandriva repo.

Doesn't play some of my videos, Kaffeine would crash on an MKV with h.264 and Totem seemed to hang, but realised that a popup appeared UNDER the window (regular occurance in other situations as well) asking to install the codec. It at least played the Peach OGG (not a total disgrace) but the frames seem to be dropping - not smooth playback...

The only good thing (only with Fedora 9 mind you) was wireless which was easy to setup because the .25 kernel's b43 driver works for me but I need to download the firmware anyway, which means Ubuntu Intrepid (or whichever Hardy release come out with a newer .25 or higher kernel version) will need just a few clicks to get my wireless working for sure.

At least Mandriva had desktop effects working out of the box which Fedora would need me to jump through various hoops (livna then manual xorg config) to enable - I gave up.

Plenty of other annoyances which I'd not bother to list here, like not recognising the Windows partition to boot and add into grub list during install (both distros) requiring extra steps to do so...

The last straw for me with Mandriva was when I tried to setup my printer, where it started downloading packages again for like half an hour, then finally it popped up a dialog with my correct printer model... yay, so i pressed OK, then guess what, yes, it started downloading MORE rpm shite! Waited for another few painful minutes then reset the PC. I had earlier selected the Sweden sunet mirror which normally works fast for me, so I doubt it was a slow mirror.

Back in Windows posting this

Don't want to waste the rest of my weekend on this, want to watch some movies or something, so will reinstall Hardy on my desktop next weekend.

Will keep Fedora 9 a little while (few weekends) longer on my tablet... but that too will get Hardy reinstalled... Why waste time trying to familiarise yourself with hostile distros when you can stick to a way more friendly one

To be fair, some of my frustration is prolly because I'm more familiar with Ubuntu than Mandriva or Fedora (and I consider myself intermediate level linux skillzz) but Ubuntu was a pleasant experience even when I tried it for the first time back with Feisty 7.04...

Huh. Why don´t you change file association under KDE control Center....{I agree that Totem as default player is a bad idea in KDE as Mandriva already shgips Xine codecs: | } Mandriva 2008.1 Spring Edition : Breath Of Fresh Air - TechEnclave
Please do not use Compiz while watching Movies.. There seem to be some conflict with Compiz Video Support and Video Drivers..

Eh ? You must be kidding me.. Ubuntu ubiquity has some serious issue. Like hangs on 82% Scanning the Mirror [testted on more than 10 comps] and installation hanged . .After 3-6 mins the Final screen will come up .. Installation Ended..

What ! really.. I found it way better than Debian Package Manager.. the Gdebi Package Manager hangs for a while.. Not as responsive as URPMI Installer.. Also rpm doesn´t have to satisfy dependencies like debian.. It will automatically download all the required file unlike in deb..

and updates of rpm is way faster.. though I agree the Repository part is a bit big and might annoy people.. I am using 128 Ul and I like rpm atm Was a big fan of deb until I used rpm

Video with Compiz enabled works fine since Gutsy

Tested on 10 different config PCs? I must have picked the right components for my desktop (getting an Intel mobo was my main cautious choice) and the right tablet PC model as well, coz Ubuntu works silky smooth (even Hardy) on both for me - edit: not to mention that 7.04 and 8.04 worked fine on my office desktops (old P4 with ASUS mobo and new Q6600 with Intel mobo)

I've seen the same slowness in 3 different RPM distros, opensuse, mandriva and fedora... Ubuntu is the only deb distro I've used and is way faster - well, for me at least... I'm really surprised you find RPM smoother, especially since you're on 128 kbps...

edit: you mention "Debian Package Manger" and "gdebi" package manager hangs etc, this on KDE/Kubuntu and/or Debian itself?... i use mostly "aptitude" in the console, and synaptic occasionally in Ubuntu/GNOME...both work nicely

^Gedpbi will open up if you installa specific deb package in Gnome [ Ubuntu]

nothing comes close to ubuntu in desktop experience mate

nothing

I myself use x64 version but sometimes things get messy when using 64bit. like Skype does not have a 64bit version for Ubuntu , Flash & Java have to be emulated in 32bit mode, i had to recompile wine from source to run few games.

But in the end workarounds are available but workarounds are always messy.


Still 64bit have a faster performance, so 64bit is up for anyone who does not mind spending some time to make things work.

It would surely work with vista, else People would kill TATA
ask from Tata Guys, would help you

Works alright for me on Hardy atleast!!


Simple solution..Remove the network cable during this step and you are done


who said rpm doesnt have to satisfy dependencies ? The package managers in Fedora/Mandriva work the same way as Gdebi, only that Gdebi is better!!

IMO, nothing beats Ubuntu in terms of pure desktop experience..Obviously its my opinion so please dont bash me over it Darky

No No Its not like that..Both have to satisfy dependencies.. But debian packages will not instal if it is not satisfied while rpm packages will instal the missing dependencies

Thanks for network cable tip.. Will try that .
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Edit : Yep Compiz + Video Works alright even in Mandriva.. I posted that because some Graphics Card s have problem with that !

@mjp1618: even i've been using (without issues) the amd64 version of Hardy since beta on my home desktop and tablet (even tho tablet has 2gb ) and also installed on one of the new desktops in my office with 8gb for testing, works great.

multimedia, flash, java, wireless (ndiswrapper using 32bit windows driver), bluetooth etc all work (although yes some things are running in 32 bit mode i believe), also played a little with KVM/virtualisation and WINE, was able to install and boot some OSes and also run MS Office 2003 under WINE heh

No Wifi on both the releases by default in my compaq lappy with Broadcom chipset

Find me a way but w/o using any terminal and say I dont have net access!!A noob will be stuck at this & there will go his linux experience

Install the BCM43XX driver .. WIthout these Wifi won't work in any of 'em