Thread: GNOME 3.0 Is Coming, And Coming Soon!

all speculations..nothing much I think

Its getting official .. Lucas Rocha Blog Archive GNOME 3.0

Details have not even been decided yet, but hope it is good. Gnome gets more corporate participation than KDE so hopefully it won't see bad press despite good work.

Inclusion in general purpose distros could be 2 years away, what say?

Originally Posted by bingoUV

Gnome gets more corporate participation than KDE so hopefully it won't see bad press despite good work.

You mean the press has been unfair to KDE ?

well ,then trolltech was bought by nokia.

Originally Posted by Pat

You mean the press has been unfair to KDE ?

I take it you are dissatisfied with KDE4. If not, please stop reading and let me know why you made this comment

From the developers' point of view, they did a lot of good work. It is not complete yet but you can see lots of new and innovative new paradigms being explored. Some might hate it, some would love it. In true KDE style, once the development is complete there will be lots of options to keep the parts you love and remove the parts you hate.

Overall KDE's management and distro's overzealousness in supplying latest KDE4 in "stable" distros has got it a lot of bad press. Management because the release was called 4.0 (rather than beta) before many end users would consider it a completed project. Distros because most users were simply not warned that KDE4 is not finished yet, all features of KDE 3.5 have not been ported yet, there is still a lot of instability. Distros that are usually somewhat stable though bleeding edge (e.g. fedora) included KDE4 in quite an unpolished state.

You might argue that why was KDE4 not completed in time. One reason is, unlike Gnome, KDE development is more done by amateurs in their free time. Whatever they do is a service to humanity. You as a user of course have a right to accept/reject a product.

kde sure makes easy for ppl moving from window$ to GNU/Linux

Originally Posted by bingoUV

I take it you are dissatisfied with KDE4. If not, please stop reading and let me know why you made this comment

From the developers' point of view, they did a lot of good work. It is not complete yet but you can see lots of new and innovative new paradigms being explored. Some might hate it, some would love it. In true KDE style, once the development is complete there will be lots of options to keep the parts you love and remove the parts you hate.

Overall KDE's management and distro's overzealousness in supplying latest KDE4 in "stable" distros has got it a lot of bad press. Management because the release was called 4.0 (rather than beta) before many end users would consider it a completed project. Distros because most users were simply not warned that KDE4 is not finished yet, all features of KDE 3.5 have not been ported yet, there is still a lot of instability. Distros that are usually somewhat stable though bleeding edge (e.g. fedora) included KDE4 in quite an unpolished state.

You might argue that why was KDE4 not completed in time. One reason is, unlike Gnome, KDE development is more done by amateurs in their free time. Whatever they do is a service to humanity. You as a user of course have a right to accept/reject a product.

Yes I was not impressed by the supposedly 4.0 stable release. That is one mistake they made. Apart from that, I agree that probably they are working in the correct direction and KDE 4.x needs to be given a lot more time to mature. I completely agree with your point that it was also a mistake on the part of OpenSuse (and prolly other distros I cant think of currently) a> not letting enough people know that KDE 4.x is still beta (although the label says otherwise) and b:> a little over-enthusiastic approach of rolling out a pre-mature DE to the masses.

I would be very interested to see how KDE shapes up when 4.2 is available. Currently though, not only stability, its usability also bears a big question mark .

I hate the new KDE menu, the tabbed one. Every time you open it, it could be in a different state depending upon how you last left it. 2 main reasons:
1. If you open one submenu the last time, that does not mean you will need the same submenu again. At all.
2. Now you have to read the opened menu before clicking anything. You cannot just go by the remembered position of submenus, and menu items inside those. After you have experience with any environment, reading menus is criminally wasteful of time. You just go by the remembered positions.

When KDE4 is fully developed, I hope to have an option to go back to the earlier kind of menu. I think you can already add the old menu in addition to the new tabbed menu.

This is the reason I hate MS Office menus too. The less frequently used items are hidden by default and appear only after some delay. Every time you have to read the whole menu to figure out whether the option you want to select appears in it. Even if you remember its exact position in the expanded state of the menu. Hate to see KDE go that way.

reading the planet gnome blogs there is apparently tab mania going on... tab support in dbus/gtk and many apps are planning to add tab support... some welcomed, some causing grief already

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