Nokia World 2008 Announcements - Nokia N97, Nokia Maps 3 & Mail on OVI

That's why I said this century.

OMG!! This thread has run 5 pages and hardly a few post are about the N97.

From the moment nokia announced it's entry(or re-entry??) into touchscreen based phones, it's iphone vs nokia all the way, and all the threads are running in completey different directions

Personally I beleive that one should look at what they expect from the phone they buy and then look at all the brands which offer phones with features that you expect and try to zero in on the model(independent of the brand) which makes you compromise the least, meaning no phone out there will fit our needs perfectly and have to choose the one which is closest to your expectations.

I am a fan of no brand and have owned different brands over the years and in all the phones, I liked some features and disliked others, and I am yet to find a phone which fits my needs perfectly, and I am sure I never will.

My Conclusion - No phone out there is perfect/great. iphone, nokia, SE, HTC whatever. A couple of years down the line, all the current phones will become obsolete.

Please stop flaming and let's talk about phones..... not fight over them.

As usual, you're focusing on one word without looking at the meaning of the whole phrase. Look at the first 3 words. "Involving" or "causing" dramatic/drastic change. Which means - something can either be dramatic itself (in terms of looks, usability, whatnot for the iPhone) or in the second case, cause a dramatic change (look at the effect to the wireless industry, look at the number of copycat products in terms of looks and overall design, look at the sales). At any rate, the iPhone is, both, itself a dramatic device, and has had a dramatic effect on the world. It's important to understand that both the cases are not linked by causality. Case A may not lead to Case B. The iPhone could have been a dramatic device and may not have had a dramatic effect on the world. A lot of devices, inventions, entities etc. suffer that fate. Or the iPhone may not have been a dramatic device as such and yet have caused a dramatic change. Yet, by the very definition of the word we're debating, either case is enough to make the iPhone revolutionary.
Clearly you didn't read my previous post before writing this response. Hint: there are 2 Nokia phones, 1 Motorola and 1 Sony Ericsson in my list of revolutionary phones.

As I said earlier, go ahead if you want to be dogged in your resolve about not giving the iPhone its due credit. It doesn't make a slightest difference to the world. Those whom acknowledgement was required of have already woken up and paid heed: Competitors have pulled up their socks. The american wireless industry have been given a kick in its arse. Apple has finally proved what its been going on about since donkey's years - that design and usability is as important, if not more, than sheer features. The iPhone is and has caused a revolution.

Edit: I simply couldn't avoid this dig
Fixed

No offence though, vpraveenis.

You mean to say that the hype for a device can be revolutionary without the device being revolutionary, yeah that is exactly the case with iPhone and that is probably the only difference from other good phones, while many phones have or introduced much more than iPhone, only the iPhone has gathered so much hype. So the iPhone is revolutionary in sense that its the most over hyped phone ever. I can agree to that, but I do not see the device itself as revolutionary. Even the Nokia 5800 would revolutionary in that sense considering the more than reqd hype it has.

I read that, thats why I used the words "more so" and "less so", I don't consider you to be a Fanboi and I have never called you that, but you are still an avid Apple Fan and you cannot deny the fact that you show favoritism and partiality towards iPhone over other phones.

I give iPhone only the credit it deserves, not more. It does not live up to my expectations of a 30k+ phone nor does it fit my needs entirely, I can easily afford to get one from Airtel in less than half a months salary, My companies employees even get a 6~10% discount on all Apple products in the US Apple Stores, and I could have got the older version for a discount anytime before the release of 3G version. But the features in either models are incomplete and they do not deserve the price they sell for because of that. As for the advancements, I acknowledge them, but for me they are not revolutionary. Its a great device with some nice advancements in certain areas while sacrificing in other areas, far from perfect but over hyped. I don't care about what the entire world thinks about it, but by my own standards and in my personal opinion there's nothing revolutionary about it.

nyway, this thread is completely loosing track, I was talking about why the N97 is not revolutionary, not why an iPhone is or is not revolutionary. I think iPhone only came into the picture because Anish said that Multi touch is revolutionary to which I disagreed.

where is the xenon flash ? common nokia,its ur touchscreen flagship.. even 6220c has it then why not n97?

Compare the Dual LEDs and Xenon -

The only place where Xenon wins is pics in Darkness. Otherwise, for close up pics, Xenon spoils the pic. In daylight, both the flashes are useless. And in Video, well, there is a no competition - Dual LED is the only one which can be used in videos.

So we come to this, Xenon only proves usefull in No light or low light situations, otherwise LEDs win. If i had to make a management decision between the two, even i would have gone ahead with LEDs.

Also, cell phones will always be secondary cameras. For any major or big party / function, due to the cheap availability of DigiCams, people will always prefer them. Now i know geeks and techies will say that they have pulled off entire parties on their cell phone, even me. But whenever there is a digi around , and today, there are always more than 1 at hand at any get together, i always prefer them. That takes care of the low light conditions for me.

For every other possibility, which i have already mentioned, LEDs win the bout. So it makes sense to go for the maximum rather than a one section winner only.

Aha! But the problem is that no phone is worth 30k! All flagship models from Nokia, SE, HTC etc are grossly overpriced. Why do you have to single out apple?

Contradiction.
Nope, I meant to say "the iPhone may not have been a dramatic device as such", in the sense, it is not hexagonal in shape and does not sport a built-in light saber. I was merely being sarcastic and playing the devil's advocate for the iPhone-isn't-revolutionary buffs. Of course, the iPhone is a revolutionary device and has caused a revolution. While I form my own independent opinions, most of the publications, columnists etc. whom I consider intelligent such as the NYT's David Pogue, Arstechnica, Wired mag. etc. all share my opinion.
Agreed. I have more than parroted Zhop's line in the past - "no phone over 20k is worth it". I bought my 2G iPhone for 350$ (got discount etc.) back in November '07. The dollar was rated at 40 bucks back then and so I think my 14k was the best investment I've ever made in a gadget. Spending anything over 20k on a phone is utterly excessive, not to mention foolish. But at least for the iPhone, bizarrely expensive pricing has only been seen is developing nations. I don't like Apple's 3G pricing schemes a single bit. But the original iPhone's pricing (after Apple lowered the pricing in Sept07) was brilliant and terrific value-for-money.

Anyway, this iPhone talk came up in this thread only because of the former thread's title -- N97 - possible iPhone Killer. The thread got merged into this one and so the discussion continued.

You think I should get it patented?

I made that statement as a reply to your comment and it was a generic comment about both N97, iPhone and any other phone in the market

Well, I am also intelligent enough to form independent opinions and I don't really care much if some columnist whom you consider "intelligent" differs with me.

While you have every right to your own opinion, I too have the right to my opinion without being called a cynic or such. Otherwise, I too can put you off as a over zealous Fan. You think iPhone is revolutionary and I do not and we have discussed enough without either one getting convinced about the others reasons, so lets just put an end to it at that, shall we

Give me an iPhone 3G for 15k (or at least 18k) or the old iPhone for 10k and I might get one, while they still don't meet all my needs, it would at least be worth the money spent. At the current pricing, I would rather get an N97 for 40k with almost everything I require in a complete manner than getting an iPhone 3G for 30k with only half the things I need and spending time or money or both in jail breaking, buying apps to get the features that should have been in a 30k phone by default. But that does not mean N97 is worth 40k, A Nokia 5800 is still a much better deal at 20k.

close up or long distance, xenon wins. try n82 ..i badly miss that in n85 ..hence looking forward to n85 refresh ..those leds are only useful for no light situation as far as video recording goes.. xenon does not spoil close up picts.. have used n82 for 10 months..for indoor picts xenon flash has no competition.. I personally dont find n85 leds to be that effective after using n82.. for party trust me, n82 or c905 would we more than sufficient ..I dont want to carry an extra gadget to party..

I would say why not follow c905 footsteps.. give me a combination of both ..dual leds of n85 + xenon of n82. that would be great I hope nokia follow this route for their 8mp cam phone..

They have the features to match though.

Didn't mean to offend you. I do find your views in this specific regard rather cynical but I guess my comment was phrased in a manner that was a bit close to the bone. Apologies
What, you mean you haven't already??

This iphone vs etc etc discussion is getting boring, why dont we stick to nokia on a nokia thread please

@everybody

Pin a Iphone vs -- thread and stick to the bashing there?

Fanbois suck .