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avoid that hardware resample!
greenhorn
18 Sep 06
  #28  
By greenhorn on 19 Sep 06, 12:11 PM
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no idea dude

Anyone else with an Audigy2zs having the same problem?
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By dipdude on 19 Sep 06, 12:13 PM
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Stormy try reducing your buffer length.

Have it about 500 - 1000ms
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By Nikhil on 20 Sep 06, 04:53 PM
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good guide......

But the link to download SSRC isnt working

Hydrogenaudio Forums > Wanted v0.9 plugin ports This page has all the plugins you will ever need for Foobar

Anyway, right now, I have enabled SSRC, convert mono to stereo.



anything else ??

And I didnt get the part abt ASIO. These are my settings right now....



I was also browsing sharky extremes forums and there, they recommended the crossfeed DSP when you use headphones.... I didnt really feel any difference with crossfeed enabled using my regular speakers.

and what abt the equaliser....is that really necessary ??
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By Nikhil on 20 Sep 06, 05:10 PM
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oh, and another thing....... on sharky extreme forums, they are recommending that you dont set resampling to anything more than 48khz as the hardware is capable of only that much.

I set it to 48khz from 96 and there is absolutely no difference. [/quote]

Ha ha ha! how often does a noob's first post get stickied, eh?

about the resampler KEEP IT AT 48000Hz!!!
The only reason to put it there is to bypass your onboard resampler. Why would you go any higher? If you pour a glass of water into a bucket, you still only have a glass of water...it's just in a bigger container.

Dang, that analogy sucks....my point is that increasing the sample rate isn't going to increase your quality...you're starting from a 441000Hz source, doubleing that to 882000Hz will only have an intermediate sample between samples that aren't actually doing anything, eating up processor power for absolutely no benefit...

c'mon kids, THINK![/quote]

Sharky Forums - View Single Post - Configuring foobar 2k

And another thing..... I downloaded foobar 0.9 for the first time today. For the past 1 yr, I was using the old versions.... in those version, whichever track I selected would play next after the current track.

But now, it plays in the proper order. How do I change that ??

And another thing...how do I change the looks of foobar ?? Chaos's setup looks different..... where do I download the skins or whatever ??
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By Smith on 20 Sep 06, 05:37 PM
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nice idea dude , i tried to do it , but couldnt due to many reasons

first of all, the installer said my iTunes 6.05 install was "an older version"

so i tried to get itunes 7 + multi plugin 2.4, but then found out that the foobar output doesnt work with 7

and the final nail was that even with iTunes 6.04 and MP 2.3, only foobar .8x versions worked and mine is a .9x install. I guess I'll try it sometime later when all the plugins are in place. Thanx for the info either way!
Exactly, the newer versions are buggy and itunes 7 is utter cr@p.
i used itunes 6.0.5, foobar 0.8.3, ASIO 0517, multi plugin 2.3.2 (this version is a mammoth 4.4mb). The sound is just sweet i must say and the skinnable itunes UI is a benefit.
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By Nikhil on 20 Sep 06, 05:46 PM
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The bass was way tighter and the impact of the bass drum was waaayyy better. If not for this article, I'd never have known that I have a software bottleneck in my system which could be fixed by paying nothing . Hell this difference is much much more perceptible than the difference between my older cheapo chinese 2RCA and the new uber expensive Qunex 2 2RCA.
Am I supposed to understand anything from that ??
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By broar94 on 20 Sep 06, 06:52 PM
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Chaos, reply to Nikhil's argument ??
Originally Posted by Nikhil
my point is that increasing the sample rate isn't going to increase your quality...you're starting from a 441000Hz source, doubleing that to 882000Hz will only have an intermediate sample between samples that aren't actually doing anything, eating up processor power for absolutely no benefit...
. you thanked greenhorn for SSRC alright but this one? .. now even setting 44.1 to 96 has no difference in sound in my case at all!
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By greenhorn on 20 Sep 06, 07:14 PM
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But the link to download SSRC isnt working
yup... apparently, it has gone into the next version

btw, the dev's home page is here .. check there for updates
Hydrogenaudio Forums > Wanted v0.9 plugin ports This page has all the plugins you will ever need for Foobar
yup.. the list is updated regularly... the only prob is see with foobar. the player itself is fine , but the community is a bit disorganized. having jumped to foobar from Winamp via QCD, both of which had structured communities, the foobar community looks like a big free-for all
they are recommending that you dont set resampling to anything more than 48khz as the hardware is capable of only that much.
in case you're running it on an old soundcard or an AC 97 onboard, in which case , it would be pointless to upsample beyond 48

BUT, the audigy 2 and above ARE capable of 96 khz, and actually sound the best at that rate. You might have to completely bypass the DSP engine to get the high quality playback

increasing the sample rate isn't going to increase your quality...you're starting from a 441000Hz source, doubleing that to 882000Hz will only have an intermediate sample between samples that aren't actually doing anything, eating up processor power for absolutely no benefit.

if you resample from 44 to 88, there isnt much difference, but if you are resampling from 44 to 48, it actually reduces the fidelity because you cant fit a square peg in a round hole , and resampling is all about trying to spread 44 samples over 48 slots, and the distribution will almost always be imperfect.
but at 96 K, almost double that , you stand a chance of reducing the damage, as it were to teh signal

btw, upsamling DOES help.. see this for a visual analogy.. the bottom pic is an upsampled version of the middle one
And another thing..... I downloaded foobar 0.9 for the first time today. For the past 1 yr, I was using the old versions.... in those version, whichever track I selected would play next after the current track.

But now, it plays in the proper order. How do I change that ??

And another thing...how do I change the looks of foobar ?? Chaos's setup looks different..... where do I download the skins or whatever ??
I'm also a foobar noob, just installed it a few weeks back to try this out , so i've got no idea how to troubleshoot it .. mine install works,and i'm thankful for it

but from the looks in your screenies, it seems you're running the stock UI... try out coulumns_ui from here
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By Nikhil on 20 Sep 06, 09:32 PM
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I am not a newbie to Foobar...... I have been using it for more than a year....but didnt experiment much.... The first time I installed it, Chaos told me what settings to use..... Have been using that ever since
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By ic3man on 20 Sep 06, 11:42 PM
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nice guide..keep it up
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By Chaos on 21 Sep 06, 12:21 AM
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By greenhorn on 21 Sep 06, 06:17 AM
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er, nikhil... sowwie
broar, your sig says you have an older SB live... it can handle only 48K/16bit. In that case, there is no point in resampling to 96..48 is all you need . similarly, no point in dithering. 16 bits is all the resolution there is.

something to remember for everyone
#1) setting to 96 K is useful only for cards which can play back 96K Similarly dithering to 24 bit is also pointless if your card doesnt support 24 bit playback .

#2) to enable 96K, you have to disable CMSS,EAX,speaker calibrator, Equalizer... all the ear candy. the 48K 16 bit DSP unit is just looking for an excuse to jump into the signal path , and we need to avoid that at all costs!

CARDS THAT CAN HANDLE 96/24 natively

Audigy series
SB live! 24 bit
HD audio onboards

Cards THAT HANDLE 48/16 only

original SB live
AC'97 onboards
Last edited by greenhorn : 21 Sep 06 at 07:02 AM.
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By TechHead on 22 Sep 06, 09:15 PM
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^@greenhorn, nice stuff. Now point me to a version of columns UI that works on 0.9.3.1, I can't find one.
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By guru on 22 Sep 06, 10:57 PM
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Heres a plugin i use to make music sound better - normalization is built in
WINAMP.COM | Plug-ins
anyone else tried this here?
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By greenhorn on 22 Sep 06, 11:18 PM
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^@greenhorn, nice stuff. Now point me to a version of columns UI that works on 0.9.3.1, I can't find one.
here ya go
musicmusic's foobar2000 stuff - components

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Heres a plugin i use to make music sound better - normalization is built in
WINAMP.COM | Plug-ins
anyone else tried this here?
as far as my experience goes.. people wanting better highs should try out izotope ozone (not freeware though.. but one heck of a DSP )

those wanting better bass ( and having the equipment.. 8 inch or greater woofers at least.. the author says so in system requirements) try out jammix .. best of all, its freeware! .. some jammix presets are so , you can make a fan out of your sub

I've tried enhancer, but it didnt exactly enhance anything for me. but friends with "lesser" speaker systems said that enhancer was of great help.
Last edited by greenhorn : 22 Sep 06 at 11:26 PM.
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