Not much info available to begin with, but discussion purely on tech, let alone the academics of it, without pivoting to petty politics?... Yeah, not happening, sir. So,
I'm down. Hopefully, the thread hasn't derailed, devolved & gotten locked, if/when I come by something that'd add to the original post.
Nobody said it was. There is such a thing as rule of law in this country that everybody is free to avail of.
Quite an attention grabbing headline.> I advocate people look at the whole system instead of just EVM's and see if they can find any loopholes. For ten years this discussion never moves beyond EVM's. Everybody trusts the rest of the system though
When people are discussing about EVM's they are not discussing about EVM h/w and s/w alone, they also might be considering other facets they does not fully trust. For eg.,
H.K. Patil seeks judicial probe into 19 lakh ‘missing’ EVMs
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...into-19-lakh-missing-evms/article65394244.ece
www.ndtv.com
There you have it. Six years after the PIL was filed in Bombay, the SC dismissed the 19lakh missing EVM's case.
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Cloud of Silence Hangs Over One-Third of VVPAT Machines in Use Since 2018, Deemed ‘Defective’
An ex-chief election commissioner says some machines being defective is routine, but 6.5 lakh is too high a number and is a “serious” matter. Experts have called for more transparency. The Election Commission is yet to respond to our queries.thewire.in
"...An ex-chief election commissioner says some machines being defective is routine, but 6.5 lakh is too high a number and is a “serious” matter. Experts have called for more transparency. The Election Commission is yet to respond to our queries.
Good enough after those new ones were tested for functionality.
Obvious fault which will then be replaced. And if VVPAT gave erroneous results it would be caught straight away.
Transparency in what? What is the need of the public to know what the error codes mean.
Prove it happened. Not my job to prove negatives.
I can prove things I write. Not things that you read.
So go ahead and prove it then. Burden of proof lies with you
I have written many things, which one do you want me to prove? I've given your track record of making unsubstantiated claims that can easily be verified to be lies.
Interesting that you are looking for proof from a bureaucratic system's flaws from within. You might consider reflecting instead of using comfortable ideas consistent with your world view like "hypotheticals" to dismiss reasonable statements. Almost no bureaucracy/government ever concedes that there are problems in the system. It simply appears that you have decided to trust the authorities and view all risks as hypotheticals. In my view, risk is the practice of mitigating probability of hypotheticals, because nations have to deal with many improbables over centuries.
The statement you made at least 10 times in different words in this thread , like the aforementioned "it hasn't happened in 20 years". Even when Chandigarh is mentioned. I don't see a proof yet.
Parties are free to challenge the results.
People with way more stakes in an election than anyone here put together aren't able to successfully challenge the results. That's the successful record you're up against.
That's for the people, media and judiciary to do. And the record to date does not convince there is an issue.
I do trust everything a government says until shown otherwise. Why not? They are accountable, have to abide by the law and will get caught sooner or later if they misbehave. It's a great time saving device which has come in handy since I've followed world affairs for over a decade.
You should have mentioned that. I wasn't even aware of this case since it's small and not exactly national news
indianexpress.com
I prefer the discussion go on a case study basis. Which is much more relevant and what people will be familiar with. Than some theoretical musings. Complaints and how they were addressed. Covering the WHOLE system. This is the only way people see with theiown eyes how to trust the system.I would request everyone to actually agree to disagree and not debate this further on this thread if possible, because it is so far from the intended discussion, and also unfortunately a lot of the discussion is turning into about defending ones' stance instead of the question which was about discussing technology risks to EVMs. I have said that for several times now, but well hopefully this is the last. I will unfollow this thread even if I am an OP
There is no proof that it has been caught every time. But given your history of unsubstantiated lies, I don't think you know the meaning of proof.You should have mentioned that. I wasn't even aware of this case since it's small and not exactly national news
What exactly happened there. They had a mayor election. Some irregularities occurred. They were challenged. SC weighed in and reversed the result.
What's interesting about this case is the fraud is seen to have occurred at the counting stage. Didn't I mention that earlier on. I didn't even know this case existed when I posted that
Like I said. Parties are free to bring challenges and we had a successful conclusion here.
We can only work with what we have.
And if you understood what some others are writing here, they are saying that what we have is not enough.
I've demonstrated two cases where the system has worked.
I would request everyone to actually agree to disagree and not debate this further on this thread if possible, because it is so far from the intended discussion, and also unfortunately a lot of the discussion is turning into about defending ones' stance instead of the question which was about discussing technology risks to EVMs. I have said that for several times now, but well hopefully this is the last. I will unfollow this thread even if I am an OP
